Is Dissipation really that bad?

[Whiteprincess]

I like having it as backup, but wish it did resumon the fairy after. In savage so far 1-2 its not needed with my group.
I've mainly used it on massive tank pulls in expert, as some tanks love to up their dps with str, that it lowers party dps due to me standing there. Healing a tank non stop with his ultra low hp. The sams hp in the party was 2000 hp below the tanks max hp lol. Luckly i can kill my fairy fast and get more lustrates to cure the tank. Most of the time ppl are knowledgeable in the art of tanking to balance in coming/out going dmg, which buys time for dot spread.

I dont mind the loss of the fairy heal because in hw fairy was always around 20% of my healing, I think. The part that hurts is the loss of fairy gague, correct me if im wrong. But I think that resets when we kill the fairy on the move.

[paoweeotter]

after an entire day of pug V3S I've been using it on the very first spellblade holy. with 13k critlo it's saved some people with bad positioning and theres enlugh shields left for the following Waltz. its fun to hear PUGs reaction on discord when i pull it off xD.thats the only time I use it though. all fairy cooldowns on pull. largesse adlo plus excog on the tank for tank buster then dissipate spam adlo (4 times) to fish for a crit then deploy. hardcast the fairy during oink (no healing required on the raid during this time. that's the only time I use it though. currently stuck at library apanda :s

[Jerichai]

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Maybe try reading the full conversation...? If the SCH blows all the AFs from dissipation on Energy Drains...then all their healing during the fairy downtime and before the CD on AF finishes will require MP burning abilities. And just because you have a 20% boost to healing doesn't mean you're guaranteed to cast fewer spells. In some cases it may be the same number of casts...just with more potential overhealing. This is especially true if you factor in the presence of a second healer. Sure, 20% can get people to or closer to a safe level within the same number of casts...but that doesn't necessarily stop you from needing to cast x number of times to top people off.

[Fernosaur]

also don't take heed to SChs who use the argument "you'll use up more mana reaummoning the fairy." that is 100% FALSE.

say you use dissipation for a largessed deployed adlo with rouse plus whispering dawn ticking on the raid. thay is MORE than enough contribution from you so thay any bit of HP left should be HANDLED by your co healer.

I know you're super excited about the big numbers on a buffed Adlo, but honestly sacrificing the fairy just for a big deployed Adlo isn't worth it, at least not unless the +20% buff from Dissipation is absolutely necessary for survival (there are situations where this can happen in later Savage encounters). Largesse + Fey Illum are more than enough to buff a deployed Adlo for a big hitting mechanic, and often it's better to just heal with your instants afterwards if the unmitigated hit wasn't going to be lethal anyways.

You used Twin Bolt as an example, but I counter with mine:

I use Excog on the OT waaay before Twin Bolt happens, using Bio II to weave it in. Once Twin Bolt actually hits, the other healer uses Tetra+Regen on the MT, while Excog brings the OT to about 50-60%, and then I use Fey Union on the OT using Miasma II's weave to top him off. Once he's topped off, Fey Union goes to the MT instead while both the other healer and me are DPSing.

There. We handled Twin Bolt perfectly fine by only using one GCD in healing, and by barely sacrificing any resources. The biggest hit to my MP pool comes from Miasma II, but I was gonna use that anyways.

I'm not saying your method doesn't get the job done, it's just really inefficient and you're sacrificing a lot of things without much of a gain. And yes, you are making a big sacrifice, since you're losing 30 seconds of Embrace which facilitates the other healer to DPS, you're losing Swiftcast, and you're losing the MP cost of Summon, and also one GCD in which you're neither healing nor DPSing. And for what? A big number on Adlo?

[Deceptus]

I'd rather largesse and spam physick than kill my faerie.

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[Dregenfox]

Well let's think about the total cost/benefits of dissipation. Fairy does 50'ish potency worth of heals per second, so over 30 seconds we lose 1200 worth of potency. We gain 3 lustrates which is 1800 potency, so a gain of 600 potency at the cost of the mana for a summon + swiftcast. Any Adlo's/physicks you cast from then on is just a straight 20% bonus for 30 seconds.

So..

basic cost of a dissipation is swiftcast+summon mana+GCD
basic benefit of dissipation is 600 potency + 20% increased healing for 30s.

What can we do with the GCD? Let say we use it on Adlo. Non-crit adlo is 600 pot for 1800 mana + GCD. Cross out the common factors (600 pot, mana, GCD) and we have the true opportunity cost:

600 mana + swiftcast CD. So it is pretty much equivalent to a 2nd largesse, more or less. As fancy as the skill is, it doesn't actually do anything - all it really does is let you trade one role skill for another.

--TL;DR - Dissipation basically lets you trade a swiftcast for a 2nd largesse that costs 600 mana and lasts 30s. I suppose the benefit is the flexibility it offers.

[MercuryAcetylene]

The thing I'll never have:

Dissipation: Orders your pet away while granting you a full Aetherflow stack.
Also grants a buff that increases healing magic potency by 20%. Aetherflow spent while in dissipation will fill fairy gauge at a rate of 20 instead of 10. Using aetherflow outside of a fairy summoned or dissipation will have no effect on the gauge. Your next Summon or Summon II is instant cast. Buff ends after 30 seconds or when your next Summon or Summon II is cast.

too bad spending aetherflow while under the effects of dissipation (faerie can't be summoned) does nothing to the faerie gauge.

[Rawrz]

too bad spending aetherflow while under the effects of dissipation (faerie can't be summoned) does nothing to the faerie gauge.

Yeah :[ That's why it's part of my suggested skill change.

[Sylvain]

They really just need to make it resummon the fairy at the end.... The MP cost (and possibly time to resummon it) is what makes the skill aweful.
I mean, I still have it "in case".
However, with the buff to hasted etherflux it's less terrible. At least you gain another 15sec CDR on your flux.

But really, the day they make the spell resummon the fairy, you'll see more people using it. It would still be an emergency spell though.

[paoweeotter]

I know you're super excited about the big numbers on a buffed Adlo, but honestly sacrificing the fairy just for a big deployed Adlo isn't worth it, at least not unless the snip

that's from a the earlier part of the threads diiscussion. we've agreed that dissipation is really very limited in use and only used in specific instances and not used on cooldown. I've been working on V3S for 2 days now since making that post and I've only played with dissipation during the very first pulll.

I also removed all my crit V materia and replaced it with the good old boring det VI materias so I'm not fishing for super buffed critlos anymore.

...character limitt...