Is Dissipation really that bad?

[Amenako]

I agree with most of the people here that say dissipation is not a great skill. From the waste of killing off your fairy and having to resummon it and wasting A SWIFTCAST is just not worth it in my opinion. Also the skill just doesn't mesh well with the SCH toolkit especially now in SB. Where if you kill off your fairy you don't get any kind of charges to fairy bar like Fay Union and Dissipation contradict each other. This doesn't play into being a tactical healer. its like choosing whether you need to two arms or one. probably a bad analogy but you get the point. Having the fairy out is way more useful then it being dead and gaining three aetherflow.
Granted there are uses to this skill but those are in huge circumstances where you have spent all your mana maybe on ressing and your co-healer also is running low on mana then yeah dissipation is a useful skill but for 95% of the time SCH's dont need to use this skill.

[Clouse_Cleyra]

Snip.

Thats ofc is the only and best way to use it.
But as I answered u before you can still do the same and dont dissipate, it is and will be a mp loss. If its usable or not is a different thing

[paoweeotter]

Thats ofc is the only and best way to use it.
But as I answered u before you can still do the same and dont dissipate, it is and will be a mp loss. If its usable or not is a different thing

I agree you dont always have to and you can only do it every 4th deployment anyway so dissipate isn't going to be up each time.

90s 180s 270s 360s for deploy
120.........240s..360s for dissipate

regarding the MP loss with 3 aether stacks you get

energy drain x3 for 3600 MP vs
summon for 2400 MP

so I wouldn't call it an MP loss at the very least it's just a hassle if you have to hardcast it. however you can call it a DPS loss since you will be casting summon instead of Broils.

the 3 aether stacks also count towards your fairy gauge if you can wait 20seconds and summon your fairy again) and also your aether trait

[Jerichai]

What opinion about mp loss has been helpful to my overarching question? Please enlighten me. That would be like me saying I don't use Miasma II because in "certain" situations its a dps loss when in actuality it can be a dps gain if used correctly. Questions and inquiries are used to gain information not dismiss what has been given. If i was being dismissive I would've said something along the lines of "MP problems don't exist for scholar, we have energy drain, AF, and Lucid Dreaming." As opposed to an inquiry like: "Well what is leading you to these mp issues in the first place? Is there a workaround?"

When your over arching question was "Why do many SCHs not like dissipation?" That's it, that's people's answer: the cost to them doesn't justify whatever gain they might get, especially when no content actually requires the influence of dissipation to clear.

[Jerichai]

I mean, let's look back to when the skill was introduced in HW. Most of the high end raiders that defended it did used the justification that the skill allowed them to get more energy drains out, upping their DPS while staying mostly MP neutral. This was with savage Gordias, where having a healer focused on damage for a portion of the fights was a thing. The SCHs didn't care about the healing boost.

[Nowakii]

Dissipation is one of those Extremly situational skills that you rarely use, than when the times for it to shine comes, you just forget it exists.

[paoweeotter]

Dissipation is one of those Extremly situational skills that you rarely use, than when the times for it to shine comes, you just forget it exists.

if you mean waiting for things to go south before popping dissipate to give you extra lustrates.. that's not the optimal way to use it. the best way to use dissipate is with largess and deployed adlo in preparation for back to back aoe damage (largess has the same cd with deployment at 90s). you plan it's use ahead with your fairy cooldowns. removing your fairy when things go bad is the last thing you want to do.

[Clouse_Cleyra]

if you mean waiting for things to go south before popping dissipate to give you extra lustrates.. that's not the optimal way to use it. the best way to use dissipate is with largess and deployed adlo in preparation for back to back aoe damage (largess has the same cd with deployment at 90s). you plan it's use ahead with your fairy cooldowns. removing your fairy when things go bad is the last thing you want to do.

And again, you can do the same without using Dissipation, you can still adlo+deploy+crit+all the other buffs u said.
Dissipation is not needed for those skills o.o

I think its the 3rd time.

What jeri says is you dont wanna burn down all your defensive spells in one shot. The fight lasts more than 1 attack.
And for Chary I think I just use Indom, and Succor with Ilumination or Largess (only 1 of them) and its all good, roar doesnt make that damage.

Also you saying you dont use Dissipation because you still arent very confortable, thats exactly what I mean, when u already have a fight in farm you dont need all the little details you need when you are in progression, the fight is already easy and you know it well, there you can do w/e you want.

The important part of the kit is what you use when you are on progressions and suffering.

[Jerichai]

if you mean waiting for things to go south before popping dissipate to give you extra lustrates.. that's not the optimal way to use it. the best way to use dissipate is with largess and deployed adlo in preparation for back to back aoe damage. you plan it's use ahead with your fairy cooldowns. removing your fairy when things go bad is the last thing you want to do.

You keep saying this....that is honestly one of the most wasteful combination of cool downs I've seen for SCH.

[paoweeotter]

You keep saying this....that is honestly one of the most wasteful combination of cool downs I've seen for SCH.

when do you use 20% magic damage reduction? why is largess adlo a waste of combo cooldowns? isn't that why you pop sacred soil asylum and collective uc. during raid busters? when do you use your illum and covenant

8man savage context

when o1s does Charybdis and 2 back to back roars that's when I use fey covenant and/or illum. I don't dissipate yet because we've only downed the boss once so I'm not that confident yet. is my choice of ability use a waste in this instance?

Charybdis plus raid buster has a long cast time. my buffs are definitely not going to waste because they will be up when it matters.

it can be a waste however if I try to do the same thing after downburst > lebinbolt > raid buster because everyone may not be in range , the fairy has animation lock, AND this certain mechanic happens faster than the Charybdis phase