Is this proof enough that this ability is useless? ( Divine Benison )

[Princess_Momoka]

I thought that's the point though? If you want shields you bring a noct AST or a scholar not a WHM or diurnal AST.

So that makes whm least wanted?

[Vaer]

So that makes whm least wanted?

No? Shields don't stack so you bring a raw/regen healer and a shielder. They're supposed to complement each other.

[Princess_Momoka]

No? Shields don't stack so you bring a raw/regen healer and a shielder. They're supposed to compliment each other.

Well divine Benson does work with SCH shield, cant test AST since using Divine Benison puts the sects on recast (the 70 whm and ast is same person while SCh is someone else) but to my knowledge AST and SCH shields are petty much the same, so it should be safe to assume they stack. Regardless I really hate not having no prepull shield with whm >< and something they used to be able to give since 34. What you say is true though, meaning 2-AST, AST/SCH, SCH/WHM, WHM/AST is all viable in that respect. Still though isn't the "meta" AST/SCH because WHM still does not bring enough?

I would hardly say it's useless. It's a great ability for when a tank makes a large pull or you want to throw out an Aero III into the mobs or boss fights in general. SS was too taxing mana-wise and the cast time made it useless and even if you applied it prior to the pull it would always break 2 seconds into the fight on auto attacks.

I would argue Plenary Indulgence is the semi-useless button: a fairly weak heal that requires a medica I/II or Cure III for a 10 second lasting proc.

If you don't like a button then just don't use it I guess. :/

Benison is 15%, stoneskin before nerf was 15% so you are basically saying it is same usefulness that it breaks too quickly.

Bension is an "okay" ability, but could be done better given that is has a cooldown (even if it's short), and relies on the Lily system (which is another gate to use it).

I would suggest either of the following changes

Scenario A)
- Mitigation at 15%
- Only consumes 1 Lily regardless of how many the player has

Scenario B)
- Mitigation scales with # of Lilies
1 Lily = 15% shield
2 Lilies = 18% shield (old Stoneskin value)
3 Lilies = 20% shield
- Consumes all Lilies

Couldn't they make the duration last longer then 12 seconds too? I mean granted if you are using it properly that effect wouldn't change anything but be nice to have something more for prepulling/leveling in general. I thought prenerf was 15%, it was 18%? Maybe they can have it attached to a heal potency like the other shields? both shields tied to stats do more blocking unless you find a war with an insane amount of HP. Like insted of saying 15% hp, why not "350 shield potency" (or something to that effect that compares to the existing shields) I say this because going 15>18>20 seems weird and asking SE to do 15>20>25 seems too much.

Benison is instant and no cost, of course its gonna have a cd for that...why are we even comparing it to adloq? Its useful on a whm because its their only means ot pad hp before a big hit, or to put on a lower hp dps when a damaging mechanic is coming up, or as a pre-empt to something like susanoo lightning without interrupting tank heals. It has plenty of uses for whm, my only issues is for some reason it requires a lily to use at all which can result in some odd moments when you want to use it but cant, and everyone is full so you cant make a lily.

Still admitting it needs something though, thus the purpose of the thread. As is, it shouldn't be tied to the lily gimmick, I don't know why SE is trying to push these displays on all jobs so hard.

I will admit "useless" was too strong of a word but still find it subpar as is.

[Pells]

...but to my knowledge AST and SCH shields are petty much the same, so it should be safe to assume they stack...

AST and SCH shields will not stack. The newer cast will always replace the older, even if the shield is weaker.

[Daralii]

So that makes whm least wanted?

Considering the normal raid composition uses AST/WHM, no. The point of the job has always been raw, continuous output.