Is this proof enough that this ability is useless? ( Divine Benison )

[Princess_Momoka]

Hmm?

http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...1fc7fea9115bfc

Yeah, and if they're losing 15% of their health standing in stuff, they're doing it wrong.

They where not "standing in stuff" it is a single frame, those moves with the ground indicators just appeared.

AN instant stoneskin does not sound useless to me. They are constantly rebalancing the game. That's what MMOs do.

You can't use it for prepull when it only lasts for 10 seconds, it is not an enhanced stoneskin. It is weaker in a way you can't freely cast it and you need to be 66, not 34 +

Also isn't Adloquium > Divine Benison anyway? so not only does Adloquium heal more, shield more, lasts longer, has no CD it is also not restrictive cept for the mp cost nerf.


WHY bring a whm for shielding? I guess it is good for war? for a 309 AST, Aspected Benefic heals for 4100, that is a 10250 shield, someone would need about 70K hp for a DB to match it, on a crit it was 6200 that gives you a 1550 shield, or need to cast DB with someone 105k Hp (about) for a 304 sch, Adloquium is 5100-5300 and 7858 crit. So how come WHM has no prepull shielding and DB is so restrictive when other classes that have free casting ablities that are better then it (and in ast's case, instant as well, just not ogcd but it has a 2 sec recast)

So I guess useless is the wrong word to use, but it is subpar. I think they got rid of stoneskin because of role actions since healers and pld got access to it.. speaking of...
5100 with buffed Aspected Benefic, 12750 shield, crit 7100, 17750 shield. (know anyone that can get 118k hp?) fully buffed like that is on a 90 sec CD That is only 309 though, you can be 320 + now, or 320 on pure crafted gear.

[Vaer]

WHY bring a whm for shielding?

I thought that's the point though? If you want shields you bring a noct AST or a scholar not a WHM or diurnal AST.

[Princess_Momoka]

I thought that's the point though? If you want shields you bring a noct AST or a scholar not a WHM or diurnal AST.

So that makes whm least wanted?

[Vaer]

So that makes whm least wanted?

No? Shields don't stack so you bring a raw/regen healer and a shielder. They're supposed to complement each other.

[Princess_Momoka]

No? Shields don't stack so you bring a raw/regen healer and a shielder. They're supposed to compliment each other.

Well divine Benson does work with SCH shield, cant test AST since using Divine Benison puts the sects on recast (the 70 whm and ast is same person while SCh is someone else) but to my knowledge AST and SCH shields are petty much the same, so it should be safe to assume they stack. Regardless I really hate not having no prepull shield with whm >< and something they used to be able to give since 34. What you say is true though, meaning 2-AST, AST/SCH, SCH/WHM, WHM/AST is all viable in that respect. Still though isn't the "meta" AST/SCH because WHM still does not bring enough?

I would hardly say it's useless. It's a great ability for when a tank makes a large pull or you want to throw out an Aero III into the mobs or boss fights in general. SS was too taxing mana-wise and the cast time made it useless and even if you applied it prior to the pull it would always break 2 seconds into the fight on auto attacks.

I would argue Plenary Indulgence is the semi-useless button: a fairly weak heal that requires a medica I/II or Cure III for a 10 second lasting proc.

If you don't like a button then just don't use it I guess. :/

Benison is 15%, stoneskin before nerf was 15% so you are basically saying it is same usefulness that it breaks too quickly.

Bension is an "okay" ability, but could be done better given that is has a cooldown (even if it's short), and relies on the Lily system (which is another gate to use it).

I would suggest either of the following changes

Scenario A)
- Mitigation at 15%
- Only consumes 1 Lily regardless of how many the player has

Scenario B)
- Mitigation scales with # of Lilies
1 Lily = 15% shield
2 Lilies = 18% shield (old Stoneskin value)
3 Lilies = 20% shield
- Consumes all Lilies

Couldn't they make the duration last longer then 12 seconds too? I mean granted if you are using it properly that effect wouldn't change anything but be nice to have something more for prepulling/leveling in general. I thought prenerf was 15%, it was 18%? Maybe they can have it attached to a heal potency like the other shields? both shields tied to stats do more blocking unless you find a war with an insane amount of HP. Like insted of saying 15% hp, why not "350 shield potency" (or something to that effect that compares to the existing shields) I say this because going 15>18>20 seems weird and asking SE to do 15>20>25 seems too much.

Benison is instant and no cost, of course its gonna have a cd for that...why are we even comparing it to adloq? Its useful on a whm because its their only means ot pad hp before a big hit, or to put on a lower hp dps when a damaging mechanic is coming up, or as a pre-empt to something like susanoo lightning without interrupting tank heals. It has plenty of uses for whm, my only issues is for some reason it requires a lily to use at all which can result in some odd moments when you want to use it but cant, and everyone is full so you cant make a lily.

Still admitting it needs something though, thus the purpose of the thread. As is, it shouldn't be tied to the lily gimmick, I don't know why SE is trying to push these displays on all jobs so hard.

I will admit "useless" was too strong of a word but still find it subpar as is.

[Pells]

...but to my knowledge AST and SCH shields are petty much the same, so it should be safe to assume they stack...

AST and SCH shields will not stack. The newer cast will always replace the older, even if the shield is weaker.

[Daralii]

So that makes whm least wanted?

Considering the normal raid composition uses AST/WHM, no. The point of the job has always been raw, continuous output.

[AdamFyi]

Also isn't Adloquium > Divine Benison anyway? so not only does Adloquium heal more, shield more, lasts longer, has no CD it is also not restrictive cept for the mp cost nerf.

So basically from what I can understand, in order to make Benison not useless, you want Benison to effectively have no cooldown, retain it's instant cast and 0 MP cost, and shields HP to the point where it will not break for the whole 15 seconds (effectively a 15 second Hallowed Ground)? Lol