Is this proof enough that this ability is useless? ( Divine Benison )

[MrSmiley]

Benison is instant and no cost, of course its gonna have a cd for that...why are we even comparing it to adloq? Its useful on a whm because its their only means ot pad hp before a big hit, or to put on a lower hp dps when a damaging mechanic is coming up, or as a pre-empt to something like susanoo lightning without interrupting tank heals. It has plenty of uses for whm, my only issues is for some reason it requires a lily to use at all which can result in some odd moments when you want to use it but cant, and everyone is full so you cant make a lily.

[Fawkes]

I would GLADLY trade the 0 MP cost if it meant no more lilies.

[Velox]

Bension is an "okay" ability, but could be done better given that is has a cooldown (even if it's short), and relies on the Lily system (which is another gate to use it).

I would suggest either of the following changes

Scenario A)
- Mitigation at 15%
- Only consumes 1 Lily regardless of how many the player has

Scenario B)
- Mitigation scales with # of Lilies
1 Lily = 15% shield
2 Lilies = 18% shield (old Stoneskin value)
3 Lilies = 20% shield
- Consumes all Lilies

[Princess_Momoka]

No? Shields don't stack so you bring a raw/regen healer and a shielder. They're supposed to compliment each other.

Well divine Benson does work with SCH shield, cant test AST since using Divine Benison puts the sects on recast (the 70 whm and ast is same person while SCh is someone else) but to my knowledge AST and SCH shields are petty much the same, so it should be safe to assume they stack. Regardless I really hate not having no prepull shield with whm >< and something they used to be able to give since 34. What you say is true though, meaning 2-AST, AST/SCH, SCH/WHM, WHM/AST is all viable in that respect. Still though isn't the "meta" AST/SCH because WHM still does not bring enough?

I would hardly say it's useless. It's a great ability for when a tank makes a large pull or you want to throw out an Aero III into the mobs or boss fights in general. SS was too taxing mana-wise and the cast time made it useless and even if you applied it prior to the pull it would always break 2 seconds into the fight on auto attacks.

I would argue Plenary Indulgence is the semi-useless button: a fairly weak heal that requires a medica I/II or Cure III for a 10 second lasting proc.

If you don't like a button then just don't use it I guess. :/

Benison is 15%, stoneskin before nerf was 15% so you are basically saying it is same usefulness that it breaks too quickly.

Bension is an "okay" ability, but could be done better given that is has a cooldown (even if it's short), and relies on the Lily system (which is another gate to use it).

I would suggest either of the following changes

Scenario A)
- Mitigation at 15%
- Only consumes 1 Lily regardless of how many the player has

Scenario B)
- Mitigation scales with # of Lilies
1 Lily = 15% shield
2 Lilies = 18% shield (old Stoneskin value)
3 Lilies = 20% shield
- Consumes all Lilies

Couldn't they make the duration last longer then 12 seconds too? I mean granted if you are using it properly that effect wouldn't change anything but be nice to have something more for prepulling/leveling in general. I thought prenerf was 15%, it was 18%? Maybe they can have it attached to a heal potency like the other shields? both shields tied to stats do more blocking unless you find a war with an insane amount of HP. Like insted of saying 15% hp, why not "350 shield potency" (or something to that effect that compares to the existing shields) I say this because going 15>18>20 seems weird and asking SE to do 15>20>25 seems too much.

Benison is instant and no cost, of course its gonna have a cd for that...why are we even comparing it to adloq? Its useful on a whm because its their only means ot pad hp before a big hit, or to put on a lower hp dps when a damaging mechanic is coming up, or as a pre-empt to something like susanoo lightning without interrupting tank heals. It has plenty of uses for whm, my only issues is for some reason it requires a lily to use at all which can result in some odd moments when you want to use it but cant, and everyone is full so you cant make a lily.

Still admitting it needs something though, thus the purpose of the thread. As is, it shouldn't be tied to the lily gimmick, I don't know why SE is trying to push these displays on all jobs so hard.

I will admit "useless" was too strong of a word but still find it subpar as is.

[basketofseals]

Why are people acting like Benison is so restrictive? We have 100% proc rate on lilies. Where are you guys where you cannot cast a single cure but need a shield?

Stoneskin was barely useful and just added a bunch of annoying pre-pull busywork if you didn't have a WHM to cast SS2. I am beyond glad that ability took a dirt nap.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Adlo and aspected benefic can also drop in a single frame, there is nothing wrong with that

[Pomelo]

To be fair I really like Divine Benison, its a good way to spend excess Lillies to be honest, and it also has a beautiful animation.

I think Plenary is STILL the problem, I do love it procing off Cure 3...but instead of solely AOE heals, I'd prefer it to proc off the CURE series of spells, 1, 2, and 3.

OR, for confessions to actually last longer/indefinitely.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Stoneskin was factually worthless an ability due to its insignificant shielding and excessively restricting cast time. Now WHM actually has a shield worth a damn instead of one you always ignore midfight.

What's the obsession with WHM not having a prepull shield? It's not like not having a stone skin that lasts for .5 seconds is gonna cut into your dps time, so what's the point? I'm happy to trade an ability I never used for an ability that actually has fairly significant uses.

[Pells]

...but to my knowledge AST and SCH shields are petty much the same, so it should be safe to assume they stack...

AST and SCH shields will not stack. The newer cast will always replace the older, even if the shield is weaker.

[TankHunter678]

The old Stoneskin was better on AST then it was on WHM because AST could Lightspeed on-the-move cast stoneskin on 4 people (restricted only by GCD as it was effectively insta cast), and for reduced mana costs at the same time.

Bension is better functionally now for WHM then stoneskin was and is a valuable mid-combat shield for helping prop a tank up before a buster.