CNJ = WHM and THM = BLM

[Crux]

Anyone who seriously thought CNJ was going to be BLM was delusional. I have been gone for a year, just started again on a new server with 1.19 and rolled a CNJ, it was plainly obvious that it was going to be WHM. Maybe the people that have time invested were just hoping, but all you had to do was read the spell list.

I got CNJ to 50, getting storyline quests done and then will level THM to 50. Not like it is hard, took a complete noob two weeks to get to 50.

[Answa]

Never has someone posted more, about posting less.

Because I conceded that it could've gone both ways since the first page, but people just went straight into "I told you so" mode. Then started fighting, when it was all meant to be lighthearted. That annoys me.

[Denmo]

Yes, I played it. And yes, there was a tree burning in the Gridania storyline and it was bad because it pisses off the elementals when you burn their homes. However it had nothing to do with the conjurer class and has nothing to do with anything in this discussion.

How does angry elementals not have anything to do with Conjurers, who worship elementals? I'm confused by your logic.

It could've gone both ways. CON could've been BLM easily. THM could've been WHM (not as easily, due to lack of healing spells). The lore is there. I'm not denying that. The lore allows for CON's to be WHMs just as easily as BLMs, and it allows the same for THM. There's confusion because both classes were essentially able to do the same things without much fuss. It stands to reason that SE is planning on making major adjustments to these classes to change that.

Salt up the forum all you want.

Yes, that is true, but that doesn't make you any less wrong.

So you're basically saying that SE is wrong for doing it this way? Good luck with that.

[Hohenheim]

I wonder how much will be swapped around

[Soukyuu]

I always had the impression that BLM was about nuking everything with elemental spells - every black mage so far had Fire as his/her basic spell and other ones came along later.

FFXIV made it somehow mixed since CNJ had both nukes and healing spells. It does make more sense to me to leave the elemental nukes to CNJ and move Cure to THM, less changes and more plausible when considering the lore, why would a WHM worship the elementals and a BLM life an death? Unless they want to redefine the term BLM and make it a class that wields dark magic (scourge, etc)

[Wynn]

How does angry elementals not have anything to do with Conjurers, who worship elementals? I'm confused by your logic.

Really? That's the best argument you could come up with. There is an elemental so it must have to do with conjurers? Whatever, I don't even need to argue that one.

So you're basically saying that SE is wrong for doing it this way? Good luck with that.

No, I'm saying YOU'RE wrong about the classes, which you are.

[Coglin]

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/#/game...rysystem/magic

Thaumaturge
"Death is Only the Beginning"

"In the hands of a skilled practitioner, thaumaturgy can be a force of terrifying destruction. At the heart of this school of magic lies the ability to call forth and command the latent aether within oneself through deep introspection."

This has been the description on the FFXIV page for THM since prerelease. It is literally the first of the classes lore. The same lore that so many here desire to swear up and down does not link THM to being BLM.

[Exni]

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/#/game...rysystem/magic

Thaumaturge
"Death is Only the Beginning"

"In the hands of a skilled practitioner, thaumaturgy can be a force of terrifying destruction. At the heart of this school of magic lies the ability to call forth and command the latent aether within oneself through deep introspection."

This has been the description on the FFXIV page for THM since prerelease. It is literally the first of the classes lore. The same lore that so many here desire to swear up and down does not link THM to being BLM.

[Comment deleted by Moderator] Death does not relate to BLM lore, and in fact would relate more to the life/death aspect of WHM lore, obviously.. Terrifying destruction?... Really?... You are using an analogy that can be used to describe practically any high damage dealing class/mob/npc to prove your "point" now?.. OK.

[Coglin]

[Deleted by Moderator] Death does not relate to BLM lore, and in fact would relate more to the life/death aspect of WHM lore, obviously.. Terrifying destruction?... Really?... You are using an analogy that can be used to describe practically any high damage dealing class/mob/npc to prove your "point" now?.. OK.

Odd, I thought the high damage dealing mage class of terrifying destruction, out of the only two mage classes would be a no brainer for BLM.

To add though, I am curious why your so mad about this information, you have niether CON or THM past level 12, it appears you don't even have a dog in this fight.

[Betelgeuzah]

BLM is gonna be so gimp if it's full fledged DD