Another Post About Healer Dps

[Taika]

the difference between healers doing damage when compared to tanks dpsing or the mentioned bard's songs is because they in some form directly compliment their main role.

Healer DPS = more party DPS = monsters die faster = less damage taken by party = healer DPS as party mitigation. That said, as a main healer from 1.0 until the end of Heavensward, I definitely see DPS as a part of all healer jobs' main role, not something separate from it. It's not an afterthought or something meant for solo content, but a really strong and thus important component in their party play contribution.

But why is playing incredibly poorly in a game where your performance effects the experience of others considered a valid option? You wouldn't go into a dungeon and immediately take off half your gear, would you? So why remove half of your abilities and more than half your GCD uses?

If you aren't DPSing as a healer you are playing poorly. There is no justification outside of blind progression where you need to be ready for anything at any time. It isn't tyrannical to expect a tank to use cooldowns or a DPS to know their rotation and it isn't tyrannical to expect healers to put out some DPS.

Yeah, no one is trying to make these kind of justifications for any other job, that leaving out a big and relevant part of your toolkit would be a valid playstyle option in any way... In group play, all jobs are (should be) expected to utilise all of their useful abilities in a way that benefits their party the most. Simple as that.

[Furious]

the difference between healers doing damage when compared to tanks dpsing or the mentioned bard's songs is because they in some form directly compliment their main role. Healers are not the same. Their damaging attacks in no way directly influence your healing abilities like BRD songs influence their skills, even a Paladin or Warrior's gauge fills up allowing you to improve your tanking skills. Dps skills are just something that was tacked on to give healers something to do during down time (said is optional by the devs themselves) and for solo content.

your comparison is just silly, and compares things that are incomparable.

fyi i'm not against healers dpsing, i am against min/maxers removing the players choice and go by the "my way or the highway" philosophy which is honestly tyrannical.

The devs are wrong.

Healers who have empty GCDs instead of putting DPS in them cause the fight to last longer, increasing the healing required and increasing the risk of a wipe. Not dpsing directly influences your role and the requirements of your healing. If you don't dps when it is logical to do so you simply are not doing 100% of your job.

[Tridus]

Would love to DPS, but this tank thinks that strength gear and sword oath are the way to go, so I'm kinda busy frantically keeping him alive. :P

[Renryuu]

Man, reading this topic has made me lost what confidence I had built as a new healer.

I guess I could try and use less heals and let my tank hover around 15-25% health so I can try and fit in a lot more dps. I mean, if the tank isn't willing to use defensive cooldowns, I guess I shouldn't be willing to keep them healed above 50% and focus more on dps. I don't know anymore, maybe I should just give up being a healer and go back to dps since dps is all that matters apparently. *sigh* now I don't know anything anymore and feel so confused and conflicted. ;_;

[MoroMurasaki]

Man, reading this topic has made me lost what confidence I had built as a new healer.

I feel like this is needlessly dramatic.

Yes, all sources of DPS matter, even healers. You should already know that as a level 70 AST. It only becomes more important as a SCH or WHM because without bringing the utility of cards to the table those jobs rely more on personal DPS to help their groups.

I can say AST is harder to DPS on consistantly as you're managing cards adds an extra layer of complexity that other healers don't have to contend with. Try DPSing as SCH or WHM before getting discouraged, it's actually quite fun.

There is a difference between actively looking for opportunities to DPS in content that you're comfortable with and the hyperbole you suggest with your post that you would need to leave your tank so low all the time just to find the time.

[Skye_]

Would love to DPS, but this tank thinks that strength gear and sword oath are the way to go, so I'm kinda busy frantically keeping him alive. :P

Yup Tanks are so clueless. Str gear, dps stance, no CDs.... let me just take that raw damage for a 20% buff; max its 600ish dps. Meanwhile, I lose 1k dps in having to heal him not to mention my healing partner who loses the same due to our heals overlapping. Then when I try to explain it say tank stance is for bads.

[LadyCeles]

if im a tank idc really. I would prefer the healer to dps but idc if they dont. When i heal i dps more then heal even if the tank is in dps stance. When u use holy the mobs are stunned and not doing damage. U also can slap a regen on and/or asylum as well. U have instant heals as well. Now that ur not stance dancing as a whm assize heals and damages a good amount of both. The new lily design will make me overheal a bit more cause i want to do a curecauonce or twice before i dps to make my assize come around faster. So with good DPS u might not need to heal much if any at all. DPS makes healing easier

[Tawm]

Contributing to DPS is just part of the role design in FFXIV. It's not difficult, nor is it meant to be. Switch to mouseover healing if targeting is the problem. Even with the worst of tanks and laziest of DPS who love standing in everything they can, there's always room for some damage dealing. It's not really an experience thing either, as I jumped right back into the role at the start of Stormblood (leveling content through ex primal farming) after a near two year absence from the game and MMOs in general.

[Renryuu]

I feel like this is needlessly dramatic.

Yes, all sources of DPS matter, even healers. You should already know that as a level 70 AST. It only becomes more important as a SCH or WHM because without bringing the utility of cards to the table those jobs rely more on personal DPS to help their groups.

I can say AST is harder to DPS on consistantly as you're managing cards adds an extra layer of complexity that other healers don't have to contend with. Try DPSing as SCH or WHM before getting discouraged, it's actually quite fun.

There is a difference between actively looking for opportunities to DPS in content that you're comfortable with and the hyperbole you suggest with your post that you would need to leave your tank so low all the time just to find the time.

I didn't intend for it to sound dramatic, it's just I had made another topic in which I was having issues leveling as an Ast due to having tanks that would take tons of damage, leaving me no time to really throw out any damage spells (heck, I barely had time to throw a card out).In that topic I was told not to worry about dpsing and to focus on healing and throw out a damage spell when I can. Now I see this topic and people saying that dps is mandatory for healers, which now makes me worry because with the groups I tend to end up with, that means letting the tank (and even the dps) fall to critically low levels of HP just so I can have time to dps and considering that at my gear I do about 5k every couple seconds or so, that makes me feel like I'm constantly risking a group wipe for dealing damage that feels extremely trivial compared to the tank and dps. As for trying Sch or Whm, the issue with that is that I had intended to be a Rdm main for SB, but went healer because we have no healer in my group of friends and 4 dps doesn't make it easy for doing content together so I went healer and Ast is the only I can really enjoy since Whm's heals look visually boring and Sch has far too many buttons for me to comfortably play on a PS4 controller.

[s3ystic]

I don't understand why (some) Healers are afraid to DPS, I have leveled WHM a bit and am looking to main AST. Your story missions require you to DPS and heal, when in dungeons and raids I don't see it as any different. I honestly feel like I'm doing something wrong if my MP bar is at full at the end of a fight. Prioritizing heals over DPS is perfectly reasonable to me, but NOT dps-ing seems like people are just hamstringing themselves, and ignoring and entire aspect of their gameplay. Heck, its not like DPSing on a healer is all that hard: Slap down a Dot -> Jam your main attack magic ad-nauseum -> refresh DOT -> throw in stun now and then. P.S. no one is expecting a healer to parse high damage, if they are, they are dumb. They just want help to make the fight go faster.