Another Post About Healer Dps

[Freerider]

So i feel like there is a misconception about healers and dps that has existed for a long time. There is this major stress on healers to dps that causes new healers especially to fret.

As a long time healer here is my thought everyone sees it as a two way split you do or you don't dps. I believe that there is actually a third however. Dps if you can. This is the school i follow. Now what do I mean? Easy don't dps if people will die.

Trials, raids, and dungeons are completely different depending on your group. Example I got yelled at for not dpsing much in a trial just yesterday. The reason I pulled back is because people flat out couldn't keep from taking damage.

So healers my advice is just do what you are comfortable with dps if you can, but don't force it.

[HoodRat]

I don't know if it's because I'm biased or what, but every time this debate comes up I notice the same thing. People for healer dps say the same thing as you, that healers should dps if and when they have the time. And then the people against healer dps say no they shouldn't because they have to stop healing to dps which isn't even an argument people for healer dps are making. I've even seen people say that healers should be able to stand idle and do nothing if they have time, but they shouldn't have to dps because they have to stop healing to dps. It honestly feels like the two sides aren't even a part of the same conversation.

[Freerider]

That's fair. One of the reasons I'm in favor of healer dps is that the group cant take damage if the enemy is dead therefore less healing.

[ADVSS]

Are you a Healer? Keeping the party healed? Role accomplished. You a tank? Boss not cleaving the whole party and staying put, focused on you? role accomplished. You a dps? you doing damage to the boss and not afk? role coomplished(but seriously try to do the rotation as best as possible) role accompliished. Honestly never give a person flak unless theyre trying to dps and failing horribly at healing/tanking. Idk what the big deal is, its sort of like, how do these people, without parsers, even know how much dps a healer/tank is doing to begin with? Also why is it something theyre watching for, when theres plenty to concentrate on already

[Spiroglyph]

Idk what the big deal is, its sort of like, how do these people, without parsers, even know how much dps a healer/tank is doing to begin with? Also why is it something theyre watching for, when theres plenty to concentrate on already

Are you aware of the concept of ABC (always be casting)? It's something I follow more then any other healing related creed - that said, though, I fully agree with OP in that healers DPSing to contribute to overall party performance is a cool thing to do.
Should keep in mind, though, that no two parties are the same. Some people might be new, some people might not be new but might also not give a fek about doing mechanics, hell maybe they have some sort of disability and them standing in poop every time isn't exactly involuntary - all these things and more can contribute to a healer not feeling okay about DPSing much in an instance.

In any case, though, while I do agree with OP 100% in that healers can DPS WHEN COMFORTABLE with it, if they don't I likely won't be giving them any issues about it. Why? Don't care. ABC might be something I personally follow because it is the method that is the most fun for me, but honestly? In DF so long as nobody dies to things too idiotic then I don't really even care, I see stupid crap all the time and don't bother calling anyone out because most people just want their daily tomes/ exp and get out quick. Me included.

Even in ex primals... don't care. A kill is a kill. I might sigh irritably at some crap but for me to bother trying to change their minds or leave or whatever... it's just too much effort.

[Furious]

Are you a Healer? Keeping the party healed? Role accomplished. You a tank? Boss not cleaving the whole party and staying put, focused on you? role accomplished. You a dps? you doing damage to the boss and not afk? role coomplished(but seriously try to do the rotation as best as possible) role accompliished. Honestly never give a person flak unless theyre trying to dps and failing horribly at healing/tanking. Idk what the big deal is, its sort of like, how do these people, without parsers, even know how much dps a healer/tank is doing to begin with? Also why is it something theyre watching for, when theres plenty to concentrate on already

Hey, I remembered your name! You're that guy who gets annoyed at getting shirked

People who don't contribute to the best of their class' ability are definitionally sub-par. There are extremely few cases where every gcd is filled with healing; thus doing nothing in those gcds is sub-par.

Ignoring the fact for a moment that a huge portion of people absolutely do use parsers, you don't need one to know that someone who fills empty gcds with damage is doing more for the party than someone who doesn't. They teach you that 1 > 0 in about grade 2.

I don't get pissy at healers who don't dps but I definitely judge them silently, as I'm sure does anyone who doesn't suck at their own job. In the same way, I roll my eyes at bards that don't use foe requiem and refresh and other utility, dps who don't use defensive abilities or get out of appropriate aoes, and tanks who don't use defensive abilities, offensive abilities, and even healing where appropriate. Use the tools you have available to make the group as efficient as possible. Failing to use dps tools where appropriate means you definitionally not doing this, no matter how you define a job or role.

[Taika]

People who don't contribute to the best of their class' ability are definitionally sub-par. There are extremely few cases where every gcd is filled with healing; thus doing nothing in those gcds is sub-par.

This. DPSing as a healer when you are able to do that (have time and resources that don't need to be spent on your party's immediate survival) is mandatory just like using songs as BRD and DPS rotation and stance as tank is mandatory for fulfilling the minimum requirements for your job. However, when you're just learning your job, it's ok to focus on healing and gradually increase DPS (just like it's ok to full time tank stance / enmity rotation and forget to keep songs up as a BRD when you're learning your DPS rotation).

[Rivxkobe]

This. DPSing as a healer when you are able to do that (have time and resources that don't need to be spent on your party's immediate survival) is mandatory just like using songs as BRD

This is...

Bard songs work COMPLETELY differently now, and are in no way comparable to DPSing as a healer.

I am 100% pro-healer DPS but please.

[Taika]

This is...

Bard songs work COMPLETELY differently now, and are in no way comparable to DPSing as a healer.

I am 100% pro-healer DPS but please.

They're comparable because both are vital functions to your job not present in your role name (healer/DPS or DPS/support). They're also something you need to include in your rotation while performing your primary function. I currently main BRD and my first 70 job was AST so I'm aware of how both jobs work. That said, DPSing as tank is more similar to DPSing as healer than supporting as a DD.

I like to DPS, but lately it seems like every tank would rather pull so much that I have to spam cure 2 and if I stopped spamming and ran over to do a holy or something he'd melt immediately.

This is strange, I play with tanks who make big pulls and I still have plenty of time to DPS on both AST and WHM (don't play SCH). On WHM I'm way too often either top or 2nd DPS in party too...

[Freerider]

I'm not giving anyone flak just having leveled many other classes as well I always find it odd when healers just stand there. Don't they get bored? haha