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    Player
    LadyCeles's Avatar
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    Lady Celes
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    Lamia
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    Gladiator Lv 70
    if im a tank idc really. I would prefer the healer to dps but idc if they dont. When i heal i dps more then heal even if the tank is in dps stance. When u use holy the mobs are stunned and not doing damage. U also can slap a regen on and/or asylum as well. U have instant heals as well. Now that ur not stance dancing as a whm assize heals and damages a good amount of both. The new lily design will make me overheal a bit more cause i want to do a curecauonce or twice before i dps to make my assize come around faster. So with good DPS u might not need to heal much if any at all. DPS makes healing easier
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    Tawm's Avatar
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    Judeau Laran
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    Odin
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    White Mage Lv 70
    Contributing to DPS is just part of the role design in FFXIV. It's not difficult, nor is it meant to be. Switch to mouseover healing if targeting is the problem. Even with the worst of tanks and laziest of DPS who love standing in everything they can, there's always room for some damage dealing. It's not really an experience thing either, as I jumped right back into the role at the start of Stormblood (leveling content through ex primal farming) after a near two year absence from the game and MMOs in general.
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    s3ystic's Avatar
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    Unoe Mitsu
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    Leviathan
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    Machinist Lv 63
    I don't understand why (some) Healers are afraid to DPS, I have leveled WHM a bit and am looking to main AST. Your story missions require you to DPS and heal, when in dungeons and raids I don't see it as any different. I honestly feel like I'm doing something wrong if my MP bar is at full at the end of a fight. Prioritizing heals over DPS is perfectly reasonable to me, but NOT dps-ing seems like people are just hamstringing themselves, and ignoring and entire aspect of their gameplay. Heck, its not like DPSing on a healer is all that hard: Slap down a Dot -> Jam your main attack magic ad-nauseum -> refresh DOT -> throw in stun now and then. P.S. no one is expecting a healer to parse high damage, if they are, they are dumb. They just want help to make the fight go faster.
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    Renryuu's Avatar
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    Ren Aiuchi
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    Famfrit
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by s3ystic View Post
    I don't understand why (some) Healers are afraid to DPS, I have leveled WHM a bit and am looking to main AST. Your story missions require you to DPS and heal, when in dungeons and raids I don't see it as any different. I honestly feel like I'm doing something wrong if my MP bar is at full at the end of a fight. Prioritizing heals over DPS is perfectly reasonable to me, but NOT dps-ing seems like people are just hamstringing themselves, and ignoring and entire aspect of their gameplay. Heck, its not like DPSing on a healer is all that hard: Slap down a Dot -> Jam your main attack magic ad-nauseum -> refresh DOT -> throw in stun now and then. P.S. no one is expecting a healer to parse high damage, if they are, they are dumb. They just want help to make the fight go faster.
    It's not that I'm afraid of dpsing in and of itself, it's that I'm afraid of the group dying because I'm dpsing.A common occurrence that I've had while leveling is that in the span of the GCD timer, the tank will have lost all the hp I had just healed with a Benefic 2 + regen ticks from Aspected Benefic. So if I had instead chose to dps (for example cast Gravity), the tank will end up in critical HP and I can either give up on dpsing to spend the rest of the pull fighting to get them back up to a safe level or risk another damage spell and hope they some how parry every attack to leave them at about 5% or so hp so I can use Essential Dignity. So until I get super lucky and start getting tanks that barely take any damage that are eluding me, I'm stuck either spending tons of MP and time keeping the tank at 80-90% HP or take a risk and let the tank essentially stay in critically low levels of HP just so I can dps. I see you healers talking about how there is barely anything to heal and how tanks barely take damage and here I am in dungeons thinking "what the heck, what groups are those healers running, this tank is losing 30-40% of their HP every couple seconds and I'm spamming all the heals I can just to keep them up and those dps are standing in every aoe possible and I gotta spam aoes to heal them."
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    Ysandre's Avatar
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    Daiyu Elani
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    Midgardsormr
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    Conjurer Lv 70
    I think everyone should do what they are comfortable with, I personally dps quite a bit on my whm. I find holy in dungeons to be great for aoe dps, as well as some stun down time for the tank and when a lot of mobs are pulled it allows them to position and build hate. I don't think healers have to dps, but I think (especially now without needing to stance swap) when you are comfortable with the run and the party is competent, DPS makes everything go faster and smoother.
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    Renryuu's Avatar
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    Ren Aiuchi
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    Famfrit
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    Sage Lv 90
    I'll keep going and focus on the good while shrugging off the bad. I did just have quite a nice run. Aside from one mistake that was my fault from over estimating the situation, the tank was very accommodating and I was able to get some hits in when I was able. It was very fun and that run really made me love being a healer. So thank you very much, I'll keep my head up and stick with it as well as just keep trying to improve myself as I improve my gear.
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    Player MoroMurasaki's Avatar
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    Moro Murasaki
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    Zalera
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Renryuu View Post
    I'll keep going and focus on the good while shrugging off the bad. I did just have quite a nice run. Aside from one mistake that was my fault from over estimating the situation, the tank was very accommodating and I was able to get some hits in when I was able. It was very fun and that run really made me love being a healer. So thank you very much, I'll keep my head up and stick with it as well as just keep trying to improve myself as I improve my gear.
    Happy to hear it!
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    Fealow Vita
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    Phoenix
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 70
    Pro tip for lazy AST!

    1. Tank does man mode pull
    2. Use Largesse
    3. Cast Regen followed by Time dilation
    4. Set down your Earthly Star on top of the tank
    5. Activate Collective unconscious on top of your Tank (And a Bole if the RNG gods favor you)
    6. Profit

    Now you can stand around doing absolutely nothing while being useful!

    (All jokes aside this is actually pretty useful if your tank wants to go man mode)

    As a healer main im on the side that does DPS when they have nothing else to be doing or I'm DPSing while the Tank is taking damage down to a certain % that I know I can deal with quickly. This is especially doable as an AST as you have two regens (one that costs you nothing to use) that can stack and a few heal bombs at your command.
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    Last edited by Fealow; 07-18-2017 at 12:07 PM.

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