Healer adjustment in 4.05

[Justin_Uriel]

I have been reading this thread trying to understand as much as everyone is talking, doing the math, and acting like the elites we all know everyone is in forums. (That was a joke. LoL)

However, I have a dumb question. Is SCH really getting a buff? And I mean this. Read it.

Emergency Tactics is now 20 seconds down from 30. Cool I use it all the time so, that is neat
Indomitability - No one knows
Excogitation is getting stronger... Cool, is it still pointless if it just sits there for 30 seconds and makes us waste Aetherflow?
Fey Union increase to 15 malms is nice... But fixes nothing. Will she stop casting and go back to normal if the tank has to run out of AoE?
The introduction of a trait for reducing the CD of Aetherflow. Don't we have that now and it sucks - so they are just changing this one I guess... Once again no one knows.

I don't understand that if our shields are weak, cost too much and slow how is any of this suppose to buff what makes us SCH? It seems to me that SE kind of overlooked what all of you have been typing for the past few weeks.

It looks like we are still going to be weak healers, burning through our Aetherflow just to keep the tank alive in a 4 man run. We do function better in 8 man as a group effort I have noticed, but maybe I am just mistaken and our "Shield days" are over and that is not what we were supposed to do. I don't think these "fixes" really fix much of what most players have said. Looks like a weird step.

But go ahead and do the math and all meters and check everything like a final exam. I just don't see it. Nym was beaten down by a dust ball because our shields can not really keep the dirt out of the soldiers eyes. (Another dumb joke. LoL) I still love my class, just not sure why everyone is freaking out over these changes... I think SE missed it, and there is no way they were reading what so many players talked about. They didn't even look at those spells. Weird isn't it? Dissipation anyone?

[Exiled_Tonberry]

Are people actually arguing that the most efficient comp is going to be anything other than. AST/SCH?
AST heals as much as a WHM, and Scholar shields, while not broken like ASTs, are very good and is worth losing the bit of mitigation for even more utility.

The one single thing good about WHM/AST, is that it's better than WHM/SCH.

[Xhareem]

Are people actually arguing that the most efficient comp is going to be anything other than. AST/SCH?
AST heals as much as a WHM, and Scholar shields, while not broken like ASTs, are very good and is worth losing the bit of mitigation for even more utility.

The one single thing good about WHM/AST, is that it's better than WHM/SCH.

I don't agree. The most efficient comp is and is going to be AST/AST, if you are talking about speed kills and highest raid dps output.
If you are talking about efficiency in terms of overcoming the learning curve, AST/WHM is the clear option since it has the best mitigation + healing output and can recover easier from mistakes.
SCH/AST and SCH/WHM is viable for the current content, but let's see what are the healing requirements in SAVAGE mode.

[Starflake]

I don't agree. The most efficient comp is and is going to be AST/AST, if you are talking about speed kills and highest raid dps output.
If you are talking about efficiency in terms of overcoming the learning curve, AST/WHM is the clear option since it has the best mitigation + healing output and can recover easier from mistakes.
SCH/AST and SCH/WHM is viable for the current content, but let's see what are the healing requirements in SAVAGE mode.

Then why was AST - AST not a thing the previous meta? Scholar has more DPS than AST by a fair margin, which is even more enables with free healing regens that cost no cooldowns to the DPS rotation, has Chain Strategem and a tankbuster move in combination with Union. All these seem to be improved in the next patch tomorrow. Ast Ast comp? Won't happen.

[Cressidia]

I don't agree. The most efficient comp is and is going to be AST/AST, if you are talking about speed kills and highest raid dps output.
If you are talking about efficiency in terms of overcoming the learning curve, AST/WHM is the clear option since it has the best mitigation + healing output and can recover easier from mistakes.
SCH/AST and SCH/WHM is viable for the current content, but let's see what are the healing requirements in SAVAGE mode.

Currently all speed skill comp are AST/SCH.

[technole]

I don't agree. The most efficient comp is and is going to be AST/AST, if you are talking about speed kills and highest raid dps output.
If you are talking about efficiency in terms of overcoming the learning curve, AST/WHM is the clear option since it has the best mitigation + healing output and can recover easier from mistakes.
SCH/AST and SCH/WHM is viable for the current content, but let's see what are the healing requirements in SAVAGE mode.

Mind you, AST/SCH was world first Creator Savage. World third for Midas Savage. Well before the balance meta buff. Take that "viable" line outta here. All current speed kills are AST/SCH.

AST/AST. Now it's just worse. Where you don't even see each others cards, and have to be on-point with card management on voice to even be close to efficient. More than stars have to align right. But once again, this comp has to manually heal everything, and that costs GCDs. Which AST has the fewest one-button heals and oGCDs. AST pairing with SCH Indom and Eos free healing helps this a lot.

Lets not forget double jobs never has been considered in an optimal meta. Building LB even in early prog or even speed runs is a factor.

[Starflake]

Lets not forget double jobs never has been considered in an optimal meta. Building LB even in early prog or even speed runs is a factor.

That's not really true either as early coil people ran double monk.

[OcieKo]

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Its was mostly that they can make 2 different traits for the same skill on ACN. Itd be nice if they just made 2 Physick traits, give SCHs one in line with other healers, give SMN one that jacks up its effect on their pet, since summoner cant maintain their own pet and SE seems against letting healers track pet health easily.
Physick cant be changed but making a trait for just one job, or vastly different traits for each, is possible in the current system.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

I don't agree.

AST/AST won't be a thing. Optimal comp isn't simply fastest kill, nor is it an overabundance in healing power. It's about these two traits coming together and working smoothly with each other.

AST/AST is too clunky and clash together too often to be considered optimal, and WHM/AST is simply wasted utility for the sake of more healing, which will never be necessary (no they'll never make damage so powerful you'll need this comp, SE is very adamant about being able to use any comp to simply clear).

SCH/AST has more than enough healing power to make it though anything SE throws at us, they have the most synergy through utility, and with Eos, they offer the most DPS uptime for both healers. At this point, you're really only taking a WHM into savage just to prove a point that no one can tell you what to play, even though it's greatly hindering your party's potential.

[Ghishlain]

Putting my comment down now - even if World First Omega (Savage) healing pair came out to be WHM/AST, many people will then counter it with "it's because the lower ilvls meant they needed more healing" and then the moaning and groaning will continue from there about how useless WHM is.

At this point, you're really only taking a WHM into savage just to prove a point that no one can tell you what to play, even though it's greatly hindering your party's potential.

I'll be bringing WHM to my Savage group this Tuesday because I enjoy the kit more than SCH or AST and I don't feel I'll be greatly hindering my party's potential. That might change once we know more details about the 4.05 changes, but for now, I'm bringing because I know I can give more to my group as WHM than as SCH since my partner is an AST because of my skill with the kit.