Healer adjustment in 4.05

**CreinCrein** · 07-17-2017 05:17 AM

Take this into perspective, the log you just linked, Eos alone did 300 more hps than the N.Ast not even factoring in the SCHs own healing comparatively to the fastest clear recorded. That's like, I dunno what to say .-.
That's without a single wasted GCD too.

**Judge_Xero** · 07-17-2017 05:36 AM

Originally Posted by technole

AST/SCH will be the optimal comp, again. You just can't beat free healing, and being able to put damage on the board while that occurs with Eos. The other comps have to always "manually" heal therefore sacrificing damage uptime GCDs. This comp has both healers with party buff utilities while the others will only have 1.

Yeah its hard to beat the versatility of an AST/SCH comp. WHM/NoctAST would be the safest for raw heals but I think it would require a coordinated WHM/DiAST pair to accomplish what AST/SCH can do but even then you would also rely on Divine Veil from PLD for required party wide shielding.

**Judge_Xero** · 07-17-2017 06:01 AM

On phone so can't edit.

Lookin at that Susano Log with WHM/NoctAST.

Because you can trade AspBenefic on the TB for Beneson and nothing else requires Shields the added regen on AST will provide higher DPS uptime for the WHM and provides additional weaving for the AST.

**Justin_Uriel** · 07-17-2017 01:23 PM

I have been reading this thread trying to understand as much as everyone is talking, doing the math, and acting like the elites we all know everyone is in forums. (That was a joke. LoL)

However, I have a dumb question. Is SCH really getting a buff? And I mean this. Read it.

Emergency Tactics is now 20 seconds down from 30. Cool I use it all the time so, that is neat
Indomitability - No one knows
Excogitation is getting stronger... Cool, is it still pointless if it just sits there for 30 seconds and makes us waste Aetherflow?
Fey Union increase to 15 malms is nice... But fixes nothing. Will she stop casting and go back to normal if the tank has to run out of AoE?
The introduction of a trait for reducing the CD of Aetherflow. Don't we have that now and it sucks - so they are just changing this one I guess... Once again no one knows.

I don't understand that if our shields are weak, cost too much and slow how is any of this suppose to buff what makes us SCH? It seems to me that SE kind of overlooked what all of you have been typing for the past few weeks.

It looks like we are still going to be weak healers, burning through our Aetherflow just to keep the tank alive in a 4 man run. We do function better in 8 man as a group effort I have noticed, but maybe I am just mistaken and our "Shield days" are over and that is not what we were supposed to do. I don't think these "fixes" really fix much of what most players have said. Looks like a weird step.

But go ahead and do the math and all meters and check everything like a final exam. I just don't see it. Nym was beaten down by a dust ball because our shields can not really keep the dirt out of the soldiers eyes. (Another dumb joke. LoL) I still love my class, just not sure why everyone is freaking out over these changes... I think SE missed it, and there is no way they were reading what so many players talked about. They didn't even look at those spells. Weird isn't it? Dissipation anyone?

**HyperSMB** · 07-17-2017 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by Justin_Uriel

I think SE missed it, and there is no way they were reading what so many players talked about. They didn't even look at those spells. Weird isn't it? Dissipation anyone?

SE missed it so hard it hurts. So little of what I would have considered SCH consensus was even touched. I mean, these are buffs, but they missed the core of SCH power and what people like about the class from everything I read.

**Rivxkobe** · 07-18-2017 02:24 AM

Originally Posted by Justin_Uriel

However, I have a dumb question. Is SCH really getting a buff? And I mean this.

Considering we don't know anything about half of the changes to SCH, and you completely ignored Miasma II? Hmm.

**Justin_Uriel** · 07-18-2017 03:14 AM

Originally Posted by Rivxkobe

Considering we don't know anything about half of the changes to SCH, and you completely ignored Miasma II? Hmm.

You are correct. And I love how you summed up the post with that.

We know nothing about half of the changes. However, I didn't ignore Miasma II sorry. I completely forgot about it. So that is it! The whole post summed up with that. Miasma II for the WIN! Healer fixed with DPS move. Hmmm.
(I still don't think they read the comments that so many players were leaving them. But, Miasma II! Am I right? LoL)

**Rivxkobe** · 07-18-2017 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by Justin_Uriel

You are correct. And I love how you summed up the post with that.

We know nothing about half of the changes. However, I didn't ignore Miasma II sorry. I completely forgot about it. So that is it! The whole post summed up with that. Miasma II for the WIN! Healer fixed with DPS move. Hmmm.
(I still don't think they read the comments that so many players were leaving them. But, Miasma II! Am I right? LoL)

I never said they would be saved by a DPS move. I just mentioned that you asked if they were actually getting buffed using manipulative words, ignoring(forgetting doesn;t fly here because you made a post acting as if you knew what you were talking about), and acting as if not knowing = not a buff.

You questioned if SCH was actually being buffed because... reasons(?) and now that the changes are out? I was right to question your approach. SCH is OP now. But yeah, no, I was totally wrong to sum up your post the way I did.

You naysayers are getting on my nerves.

**Exiled_Tonberry** · 07-17-2017 03:21 PM

Are people actually arguing that the most efficient comp is going to be anything other than. AST/SCH?
AST heals as much as a WHM, and Scholar shields, while not broken like ASTs, are very good and is worth losing the bit of mitigation for even more utility.

The one single thing good about WHM/AST, is that it's better than WHM/SCH.

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