Healer adjustment in 4.05

[LegoTechnic]

I was speaking from the context of having a diurnal AST as a co-healer, while the open spot was to be a discussion between N.Ast and SCH. Your track record- claiming I was exaggerating when you didn't put effort to look at the logs to see otherwise. Using resource-less over-heal as an argument when it just proved my point further. Answer this one question though: why aren't top statics pushing the edge of what is optimally possible using either WHM/AST or AST/AST more frequently if either of those comps have any merit. Players that exceed your experience and skill. Prove me wrong. List some parses, logs ANY evidence at all.

I don't like to play this game because it will go back and forth so don't expect me to humor you much more with it, but this actually wasn't all that hard to find. I'm not going to say it's common as Susano in general is very optimal for Eos, and it's further difficult to post AST DPS benefits because they don't really tie Balance contribution to the AST itself in logs, but if all you want is an example then here's a Susano Noct AST with a WHM partner whose values you can compare. It's pretty hot stuff with that 56% party Balance uptime, which is obviously not the most common of situations outside of top parses but is still pretty neat (and difficult to calculate the numerical benefit of).

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/GLKnC...tical&source=8

[starLivitation]

something i don't udnerstand.. AST shields are stronger than SCH shields, but AST isn't dependant on them, i mean they can switch these shields off if they prefer to heal. while sch, can only switch them off once every 20 seconds, why don't they just give SCH another healing mode just like ast? instead of emeregecy tactics, make sch go in full healing mode or shielding mode.

[CreinCrein]

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/jk1Xa...pe=damage-done, more optimal healer parse run; faster clear, yadada. All runs exceeding that one are AST/SCH. Also you didn't answer my question: why aren't more statics FREQUENTLY comping AST/AST or WHM/AST if it is more optimal than AST/SCH. Why isn't there consistency with those comps and why are SCH/AST comps outperforming WHM/AST comps in the majority of logs listed.

[technole]

AST/SCH will be the optimal comp, again. You just can't beat free healing, and being able to put damage on the board while that occurs with Eos. The other comps have to always "manually" heal therefore sacrificing damage uptime GCDs. This comp has both healers with party buff utilities while the others will only have 1.

Optimally, Susano Ex is healed without a single tier-1 heal like Cure 1, Benefic, Physick. That fast run just had one Benefic II, and a few Adlos for busters. Textbook.

[CreinCrein]

Take this into perspective, the log you just linked, Eos alone did 300 more hps than the N.Ast not even factoring in the SCHs own healing comparatively to the fastest clear recorded. That's like, I dunno what to say .-.
That's without a single wasted GCD too.

[Judge_Xero]

AST/SCH will be the optimal comp, again. You just can't beat free healing, and being able to put damage on the board while that occurs with Eos. The other comps have to always "manually" heal therefore sacrificing damage uptime GCDs. This comp has both healers with party buff utilities while the others will only have 1.

Yeah its hard to beat the versatility of an AST/SCH comp. WHM/NoctAST would be the safest for raw heals but I think it would require a coordinated WHM/DiAST pair to accomplish what AST/SCH can do but even then you would also rely on Divine Veil from PLD for required party wide shielding.

[Kurando]

Sharing with SMN wont affect the issue, refer to Ruin/Boil Mastery traits that both effect Ruin 1.

Well it will though because the Ruin Mastery works different for both jobs, one forces an update whilst the other has a 15% chance, but SE still incorporated something in to both of them. If Physick is given a trait, this would have to make it competitive with the rival base heal traits of WHM and AST. Not to mention any potential Physick trait will no doubt be called by others to extend it to SMN either in the form of better potency or transforming it to Sustain. Not that I'm against any SMN benefit, but Physick cannot be changed without effecting both jobs. Succor already benefits from Sacred Soil, there is no reason why Aldo cannot get a trait in some form, especially until SCH can use Aether heals at lv50/2.

[Judge_Xero]

On phone so can't edit.

Lookin at that Susano Log with WHM/NoctAST.

Because you can trade AspBenefic on the TB for Beneson and nothing else requires Shields the added regen on AST will provide higher DPS uptime for the WHM and provides additional weaving for the AST.

[xNewbx]

something i don't udnerstand.. AST shields are stronger than SCH shields, but AST isn't dependant on them, i mean they can switch these shields off if they prefer to heal. while sch, can only switch them off once every 20 seconds, why don't they just give SCH another healing mode just like ast? instead of emeregecy tactics, make sch go in full healing mode or shielding mode.

Once in combat you're stuck in Nocturnal Sect (shields) or Diurnal Sect (regen) for the whole fight.

[Yuyuka3]

AST/SCH will be the optimal comp, again. You just can't beat free healing, and being able to put damage on the board while that occurs with Eos. The other comps have to always "manually" heal therefore sacrificing damage uptime GCDs. This comp has both healers with party buff utilities while the others will only have 1.

Optimally, Susano Ex is healed without a single tier-1 heal like Cure 1, Benefic, Physick. That fast run just had one Benefic II, and a few Adlos for busters. Textbook.

Anyone who didn't see that coming was either blind, or just didn't want to believe. Sadly, there are far too many people on here, and as long that stays that way, nothing will ever change for WHM. And, hey. SCH is even getting buffed soon. Yaaaay...
But I'm just a WHM, I got no right to complain for some.