"Pull Everything" in Dungeon Parties

[JunseiKei]

Wrong I am not going to do something I am uncomfortable with for DPS who are in a hurry. I will pull what me and my healer are comfortable with. If DPS wants to go faster then they can try quing again or go at my pace.

You will always be uncomfortable with anything you do until you repeat until you gain confidence. That is how you improve in video games especially. It's fine if you don't want to self improve, but I personally do not favor the scrub mentality. When I recognize someone wants to stay in that trench, I acknowledge it's futile to argue for bigger pulls and self improvement and just go along with the pace and turn on autopilot. That's when I stop caring, because no matter what I do, I will not gain anything from the run.

I'm not saying don't gauge things and react accordingly, which is what you are implying my statement to mean. What I am saying is people who throw fits or get upset because someone asks for larger pulls. Then, because they are upset, they actually under perform. This is called tilting. You are subconsciously causing your own downfall. I'm telling people to stop it.

From a friend who also plays:
This kind of entitled scrub mentality is why people, who have limited free time, avoid DF like the plague. Getting pissy someone asks for bigger pulls when you're sandbagging is what I was talking about, not adjusting to bad tanks. Having a "letting DPS die" pissing contest with the other players is just asking to waste your own time, on top of wasting theirs, but people love using any bit of power they have over other people if given the chance, I suppose.

If anyone pulls for me as tank I let them tank it and die then I will pick it up. Enough deaths they will learn not to pull for you.

From both of us:
Actual good tanks outpace DPS. No DPS should be waiting on a tank to pull- the tank should be waiting on the DPS to pull (as in waiting for them to be prepped to properly engage the target). If you're a tank and you get DPS pulling ahead of you, you're not respecting their own role, their time, or their efficiency to appropriately do their role. You only respect yourself and tank status.

Anyway, I'm out, but requoting for what I said already in a TL;DR type post.

Best way to handle this:

Stop caring.

If people want big pulls, try it. If you wipe, most sensible people will revert to smaller pulls. You do yourselves no favors getting tilted over something that is ultimately trivial.

[Faliandra]

You will always be uncomfortable with anything you do until you repeat until you gain confidence. That is how you improve in video games especially. It's fine if you don't want to self improve, but I personally do not favor the scrub mentality. When I recognize someone wants to stay in that trench, I acknowledge it's futile to argue for bigger pulls and self improvement and just go along with the pace and turn on autopilot. That's when I stop caring, because no matter what I do, I will not gain anything from the run.

this. if you refuse to get better, you'll always be a scrub.

Tanking dungeons is super easy. I hardly ever tank and i manage pretty well. Theres a few basic things to look out for, and other than that its just pushing a very few buttons.

If you're gonna turn into a diva because I suggest pulling more or actually do it, alright then. Either I'll eat penalty, or have you votekicked...or I may just silently move along, but you sure bet my motivation to perform well isnt gonna be
on point. Not because I'm spiteful,but more like ruining my fun is demotivating.

I honestly dont care if youre gonna let me die if I pull. So what? I'll ress up and thats it lol
And also why are people so freakin scared to wipe? You dont learn without failing, ever. So I'd rather have a tank try a bigger pull and fail than having him never try.

[HyperiusUltima]

SNIP

Can we all just throw away the 'scrub' term? It sounds condescending here.

If you put yourself in that person's shoes, what do you think they think? There's always expectations of what people do, but even though it's human to judge people around here apparently judge others harshly just because "IT'S NOT OPTIMAL".

As much as optimization is useful, there are still people not knowing how to play their job or how to do large pulls and it's a learning process. Being considerate about a person's playstyle is respecting the player as a whole, good or bad. If they're having a lot of issues, try and throw them some tips about it instead of flat-out kicking people. If you've had tanking experience, try and share how you generally pull; it may give them some ideas.

[alimdia]

@Faliandra and JunseiKei

If you want to set the dungeon pace you can always tank them yourself, you get the benefit of near-instant queues as well, so you'll save a lot of time.

[Kurando]

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What a tank chooses to pull has nothing to do whether they are worried the party will wipe or not, get over yourself. Tanks can pull any amount for whatever reason they want and it doesn't help if some attention seeking healer goes off pulling everything because they want to avoid feeling "demotivated". Clearly lacking any kind of respect for fellow players here. Probably doing everyone a favour when you eat a penalty and leave or get vote kicked.

[HyperiusUltima]

Actual good tanks outpace DPS.

This doesn't actually make sense here. People have grown complacent since HW in terms of pulls because we overgeared dungeons a lot for the past few months. In Leveling now people are still gearing and learning, and honestly since the mobs hit a good deal harder when you're not in end-game content and overgeared the tank has to learn where everything is at before they can plan how they're going to pull. I'm not tilting over the 'pull everything' mentality but I'm neither coming from the scrub mentality as you call it, but it literally is a bit unnerving that DPS are telling the Tank to pull more when the tank is not comfortable with their capabilities yet. Give Tanks a few runs and they probably will figure it out.