"Pull Everything" in Dungeon Parties

[JunseiKei]

Best way to handle this:

Stop caring.

If people want big pulls, try it. If you wipe, most sensible people will revert to smaller pulls. You do yourselves no favors getting tilted over something that is ultimately trivial.

[Bixillarla]

Best way to handle this:

Stop caring.

If people want big pulls, try it. If you wipe, most sensible people will revert to smaller pulls. You do yourselves no favors getting tilted over something that is ultimately trivial.

Wrong I am not going to do something I am uncomfortable with for DPS who are in a hurry. I will pull what me and my healer are comfortable with. If DPS wants to go faster then they can try quing again or go at my pace.

[Ilenya]

I honestly can't stand baby pulls in expert dungeons. There's no excuse for it because unlike leveling dungeons, we vastly overgear it.

Define "Vastly outgear" because my first run in Temple of the Fist or whatever it was called I certainly was not vastly overgeared, and since I had no idea where any of the enemies spawn (And with SE deciding to add spawns to spots we're already in rather than further ahead) I thought to take my first run slowly so I could learn it, only to have the healer pull ahead, then let me die when I called him out on it. Things like that aren't acceptable, and never should be.

Once I've learned the dungeon properly, then sure, I'll pull large. Until then, I'm just going to let the healer die next time.

[MaloraYuki]

When I heal I just let the tank decide. If I feel he/she is pulling slow for what I can handle I will mention something but I never push them to do it. You do you, I'd rather have the group comfortable and get it done than wipe because of avoidable things. But when I started tanking I got to lvl 50 doing normal pulls for lvling which was smaller pulls at 50 I entered my first 50 dungeon told them I was new to tanking and I would try my best. Did the pulls normal for manor HM which is to the locked doors. Got to the last floor and healer tells me "stop pulling like a pussy, pull it all." I knew we would die but I did what the healer asked and we died, not because I lost aggro but because they couldn't keep up with the healing. Even as a new tank I knew my limitations and not having high aoe damage I knew my groups limitations. Work as a group not individuals and you will be more successful, look at your group comp it's so important.

[Kurando]

Unless the entire team knows exactly how their tank and/or healer will perform in a duty, there is really no reason at all for the healer or dps to pull more then the tank has chosen as their mob load. Sometimes I'm all for big pulls, other times I prefer smaller ones but it's really the tank that should make the decision. Ain't dealing with attitude from some players I've meet when I've called them out on their extra unwanted pulls only to get responded with I don't pay their sub. Seriously respect the rest of the party members, after all DPS are easily replaced

[JunseiKei]

Wrong I am not going to do something I am uncomfortable with for DPS who are in a hurry. I will pull what me and my healer are comfortable with. If DPS wants to go faster then they can try quing again or go at my pace.

You will always be uncomfortable with anything you do until you repeat until you gain confidence. That is how you improve in video games especially. It's fine if you don't want to self improve, but I personally do not favor the scrub mentality. When I recognize someone wants to stay in that trench, I acknowledge it's futile to argue for bigger pulls and self improvement and just go along with the pace and turn on autopilot. That's when I stop caring, because no matter what I do, I will not gain anything from the run.

I'm not saying don't gauge things and react accordingly, which is what you are implying my statement to mean. What I am saying is people who throw fits or get upset because someone asks for larger pulls. Then, because they are upset, they actually under perform. This is called tilting. You are subconsciously causing your own downfall. I'm telling people to stop it.

From a friend who also plays:
This kind of entitled scrub mentality is why people, who have limited free time, avoid DF like the plague. Getting pissy someone asks for bigger pulls when you're sandbagging is what I was talking about, not adjusting to bad tanks. Having a "letting DPS die" pissing contest with the other players is just asking to waste your own time, on top of wasting theirs, but people love using any bit of power they have over other people if given the chance, I suppose.

If anyone pulls for me as tank I let them tank it and die then I will pick it up. Enough deaths they will learn not to pull for you.

From both of us:
Actual good tanks outpace DPS. No DPS should be waiting on a tank to pull- the tank should be waiting on the DPS to pull (as in waiting for them to be prepped to properly engage the target). If you're a tank and you get DPS pulling ahead of you, you're not respecting their own role, their time, or their efficiency to appropriately do their role. You only respect yourself and tank status.

Anyway, I'm out, but requoting for what I said already in a TL;DR type post.

Best way to handle this:

Stop caring.

If people want big pulls, try it. If you wipe, most sensible people will revert to smaller pulls. You do yourselves no favors getting tilted over something that is ultimately trivial.

[Ashewalker]

There is a rule of mine i tend to follow very well... If you pull, you tank. I have had times where i litterally left the boss room because other people act like asses and pull before i do pull.

Yes you will think of me as an ass myself, but i there is something called respect, if you are not happy with my speed, then your problem, if you are dps then man up and suck it up, without us tanks you won't get into a dungeon or even get far in a dungeon. If you are healer, why are you worrying about speed? You should be worried about keeping us alive when we get into the boss! Want speed? Then dps during the boss when i have a cooldown up!

[Tecs]

The people who insist on not "wasting" time with smaller pulls should just level a tank. They can pull however they like and the don't "waste" time sitting in a 30+ minute queue. For people who are so insistent about optimizing their time you would think this is a clear answer.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

If anyone pulls for me as tank I let them tank it and die then I will pick it up. Enough deaths they will learn not to pull for you.

Better idea, do some AoE in DPS stance then Shirk the offending DPS! Gets the point across quite nicely~

[Minizomb]

I never complain to a tank about their pulls, I am a firm believer you should do what you think its possible for you. But doesn't mean I am not screaming in my head and dying a bit on the inside. That and I feel you don't trust me, that someone in a past dungeon screwed you over now all heals get punished for it, lol.