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  1. #111
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    Laladyn's Avatar
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    Prinz Eisenherz
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
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    Maybe i whent oevr the top, but.
    Please understand you are not entitled to decide how a dungeon run goes because the mobs hits you in the face, thats what you sayd, (thats the part that ticks me off most because it absolutly makes no sense). You are part of a 4 man group and not the othere way around, that 3 people are part of your dungeon run. In reality every DD and even a healer can tank a 3 enemy pack without problems in most cases. You are part of a party and not the party nor do you have special rights. Again in reality you could not do much without a healer at all. So please try to get the dungeon done smooth even if a other party member pulls a mob or does something else you dislike. and play as a group where everyone has equal rights and respnsibility.
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  2. #112
    Player Kosmos992k's Avatar
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    Kosmos Meishou
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    Behemoth
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Faliandra View Post
    oh yeah, I have all my tanks at 60 and my pld will be at 70 soon. At some point,ill get drk and war to 70 too. And you know what? I wont really use them for roulettes.
    And its not because of possible DF harassment...or else I wouldnt be maining healers lol. I just level every class, but I play what I enjoy most.

    many people have all classes lvled.
    there goes your logic.
    I personally know several players who will not take their leveled tanks into DF because they are fed up with a very vocal minority of players in DF. I know some healers who won't heal DF for the same reason. But in general, I think you are right that a lot of players have tanks and/or healers leveled, but don't use them in DF because it's not their preferred role. Of course, the reasons for their preference may have something to do with a vocal minority who make things more difficult for them, or they may simply find one of the various DPS jobs more enjoyable. Personally I like Bard and Samurai, I haven't done much with RDM at all, and I'm only starting out on SAM, but I like the structure of it's skills and combos, it flows nicely.

    That said, I'm a tank by nature, it's who/what I am and play. I will always come back to Paladin as my main role/job.
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  3. #113
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    Lumielle Whisperwind
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    Ragnarok
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    That said, I'm a tank by nature, it's who/what I am and play. I will always come back to Paladin as my main role/job.

    and thats exactly the same way I feel about healers.

    So the fact that I have my tanks lvled doesnt mean a thing. Im also not saying that there arent any people out there who dont use DF as a tank because they fear harassment.
    But you make it sound like thats a huge majority and the sole or major reason why theres a shortage of tanks. That simply is not true.

    its merely a matter of preference when it comes to picking a role.
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  4. #114
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    Ku Rando
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    Alpha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faliandra View Post
    oh yeah, I have all my tanks at 60 and my pld will be at 70 soon. At some point,ill get drk and war to 70 too. And you know what? I wont really use them for roulettes.
    And its not because of possible DF harassment...or else I wouldnt be maining healers lol. I just level every class, but I play what I enjoy most.

    many people have all classes lvled.
    there goes your logic.
    Many players have leveled their jobs mostly through POTD and have little experience tanking in actual dungeons, it also explains why so many may also be undergeared.

    There goes your logic.
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  5. #115
    Player Kosmos992k's Avatar
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    Kosmos Meishou
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Laladyn View Post
    Maybe i whent oevr the top, but.
    Please understand you are not entitled to decide how a dungeon run goes because the mobs hits you in the face, thats what you sayd, (thats the part that ticks me off most because it absolutly makes no sense). You are part of a 4 man group and not the othere way around, that 3 people are part of your dungeon run. In reality every DD and even a healer can tank a 3 enemy pack without problems in most cases. You are part of a party and not the party nor do you have special rights. Again in reality you could not do much without a healer at all. So please try to get the dungeon done smooth even if a other party member pulls a mob or does something else you dislike. and play as a group where everyone has equal rights and respnsibility.
    Please understand, it's not about entitlement, rights and/or responsibilities. I completely agree about everyone having rights and responsibilities. What it is about is the role and function of each job in a party. The tank is by design the foundation of the team because by design they are the focus for the enemies during combat. It is necessary that the person in that role is comfortable with how the run is proceeding, or they simply won't perform well. Therefore, logically speaking, they need to proceed at a pace they personally are comfortable with. None of the other players have the right to tell the tank what they are or should be comfortable with. Again, logically speaking, that means that the player who is getting hit in the face gets to decide how many enemies to take on at once. That's all I am saying. It's not an infringement on your rights, it's not a matter of the tank deliberately overstepping bounds to slow things down, it's whether that tank is comfortable running at that pace.

    At the end of the day, it really does come down to the simple fact that the tank knows their personal limitations and comfort. If they wish to challenge their comfort, that's up to them, not anyone else. Demanding that other players play beyond their comfort is disrespectful. I would never overpull when I have a new healer in starter gear because it will stress them. Nor will I try to drag a party with no AoE capability through multiple pulls because once again not only will it stress the healer but it would be me imposing my whim on those players and forcing them to play beyond their comfort.

    If every healer and DPS can tank mobs, then are you telling me my role is unnecessary? To me, that seems to be the elephant in the room that no one talks about. The chauvinism that says tanks are unimportant so it's OK to demand more than they are OK giving. It's not OK to do that to tanks, healers or DPS. It's pure and simple disrespect.
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    Last edited by Kosmos992k; 07-18-2017 at 02:50 AM.

  6. #116
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    eaudaemon's Avatar
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    Tobias Deau
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    Siren
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    Lol, I just found a thread on the Wow forums that is just like this one, DPS pulling is not just an issue on this game it seems
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  7. #117
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    micropanther7's Avatar
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    Peony Foxbriar
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    Louisoix
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    Monk Lv 55
    Quote Originally Posted by Laladyn View Post
    snipped for length... So please try to get the dungeon done smooth even if a other party member pulls a mob or does something else you dislike. and play as a group where everyone has equal rights and respnsibility.
    No-one in this thread is entitled to dictate anything to anyone, regardless of their viewpoint... but a bit of understanding and tolerance of each other would go a long way. Not directed at you personally Laladyn but it's the same old poop on these forums day after day, ridiculous arguments where people belittle and insult each other and no-one just agrees to disagree (apart from a few enlightened posters). Exercising the ignore function would probably be a good idea Who's bright idea was it to stop moderating message boards properly? Yeah I'm looking at YOU admins, of ANY gaming forum ever >.>

    Edit: removed a naughty word
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    Last edited by micropanther7; 07-18-2017 at 02:52 AM.

  8. #118
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    Fluffy Pancake
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    Hyperion
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    As a healer, gonna throw in my 2cents;

    I don't mind large pulls (2~3 packs of mobs) with a tank that knows what they're doing (uses CDs effectively, is able to actually hold all of the mobs), and dps that have effective AoE and know how to use it. A pull this size, although large, still allows me to stun lock at the beginning, get some HoTs up, and Aero3 etc while the dps whittle them away.

    What I do mind though, is tanks who overpull their party's skill level - If they're pulling 5+ groups of mobs, are undergeared, and their HP keeps going down regardless of how many CDs I use, or cures I throw at them, THEN I have an issue. [Newsflash - saying 'spam harder' doesn't magically negate the GCD... I wish it did, but it doesn't.] I had this happen in a run of Doma Castle close to when SB was released - tank couldn't see why they were dying so quickly when they pulled from the start of the dungeon, all the way up to (and including) the gunships on their first run of that dungeon.

    I like to be really busy in dungeons, but not 'frantic' constantly- I absolutely hate panic/twitch healing, but I don't mind being kept on my toes (does that make sense?)
    Small pulls (single groups) bore me, but if the tank is new or the dps aren't up to par then I'll not say a word and help speed things up by throwing some nukes out.

    Communication is key!
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  9. #119
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    R'lileen Min'enoth
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    Cerberus
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    Thaumaturge Lv 80
    Few people forget something : "I" is not "everyone". "Me" as example, is a bad, if not the worst, demonstration. People really need to be carefull about use of I, it can be use only if it is NOT considered as universal (and that's less easy).
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    Last edited by Eldevern; 07-18-2017 at 02:55 AM.

  10. #120
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    Roegan Skaetmoen
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    Zodiark
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
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    Yes I feel like most of this thread is working under the assumption that groups don't talk to each other? Maybe its an EU thing but i'd say 95% of my groups say Hi at the start, and if theres ever been a pacing issue people will say in chat "can you go faster/slow down", never seen a tank not say "ok" when asked either thing either. Its almost as if communication helps resolve issues :O
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