Is anyone else dying to get to Garlemald?

[EdwinLi]

Certainly, the sheer potential of getting magitek car as a mount is far too good to pass by.

I expect Garlemald to be very much like modern day Japan right now or a combination of FFXV and FFXIII world due to the level of technology.

A part of me hope they have FFXIV world version of mangas in Garlemald, for whatever lore reason it got invented, and have Alisaie accidently discover Yoai Mangas for comedy sake.

[VargasVermillion]

Certainly, the sheer potential of getting magitek car as a mount is far too good to pass by.

I doubt this will happen for the same reason cloud's bike wasn't added, they were going to add it but it looked too awkward with the mount speed the game has. motor vehicles wouldn't be as fun as they sound.

[Enkidoh]

I expect Garlemald to be very much like modern day Japan right now or a combination of FFXV and FFXIII world due to the level of technology.

I very much doubt that though based on the levels of technology their military is openly using in Eorzea and Othard - somewhere roughly between steampunk and dieselpunk levels with steam trains, riveted iron plate and girderwork, and primitive CRT displays and analog gauges and dials, side by side with push button inputs, mechs and primitive artificial intelligence.

I mentioned it before earlier in this thread but I honestly expect Garlemald itself to be rather similar to Vector from FFVI or Archades from FFXII, reasonably technologically advanced, but nothing like our contemporary society. It just wouldn't fit what we have already seen with Garlemald's military.

[Matriqona]

I doubt this will happen for the same reason cloud's bike wasn't added, they were going to add it but it looked too awkward with the mount speed the game has. motor vehicles wouldn't be as fun as they sound.

Eh, the speed shouldn't be that much of a deal breaker considering how we have dragons and allagan made AI balls flying at same speed. It'be lot of run to be strolling through the land with a 'car' mount though.


Although. I do want us to visit Garlemald. Not necessarily as 'invading' it per se. Seems like pushing it bit too far, considering how the Eorzean alliance struggles with one legion - Legion that was lead half-assedly by uncaring loonie.

[Alleo]

My point is that many of our allies would of done the same thing if the opportunity came. If a nation encounters a weaker nation they'll do what they can do get as much from that as possible. Hydaelyn isn't a place where you can apply a modern day moral compass.

We cant say that they would have done the same thing because they are not in that position so we cant just assume that they would react the same way. I mean look at the current Eorzea, they needed a primal and Ilbert to finally go against Garlemald on their own continent. Also like Cilia said we still have lots of sovereign states in Eorzea and in the last few years only Ala Mhigo tried to take over Gridania. (And some even longer time ago we had the Uldah situation) Yet every conflict of the last decades always stayed in Eorzea and did not include the whole world.

And seeing how the Alliance reacted to the tower shooting and to the experiments I am quite sure that morality is a big point. It is not to our standard today but even in our time we have countries that are not at the western standard.

Also war is never necessary and war is alway bad..there is no war that is right..and we see it today that a lot of western countries are trying to solve conflicts in other ways..because all that war does is killing people and breeding more hate..So yes war itself is black..

[Raikai]

I - love - the idea of they defeating and capturing the WoL through Garlemald expansion. Perfect opportunity to meet new allies. Maybe a insurgent rebellion faction there.

I'm also keen to see their cities. Judging by the military architecture, it might be something VERY technological, Perhaps inspired in FFVII's Midgar, with a section of high buildings, skyscrapers and highways, and another section with slums, where the poor, subjugated races linger.

[VargasVermillion]

Also war is never necessary and war is alway bad..there is no war that is right..and we see it today that a lot of western countries are trying to solve conflicts in other ways..because all that war does is killing people and breeding more hate..So yes war itself is black..

We wouldn't be as technologically advanced without war, the most technologically advanced nations in history built that up out of necessity. Good or bad is irrelevant, it's just inevitable while people can have differing views on how the world should be run or who's god is the real one or when different lands have to compete for resources.

[Cilia]

... in the last few years only Ala Mhigo tried to take over Gridania. (And some even longer time ago we had the Uldah situation)...

That war everybody loves to bring up when condemning Ala Mhigo, the Summer War, happened a century ago. Also it should be noted that the Gridanians have forgiven the Ala Mhigans for it.

The War of the Sisters between Ul'dah and Sil'dih was four centuries ago. Ul'dah did commit at least one atrocity during the war - they used Traders' Spurn to turn the Sil'dihns into zombies. You can probably tell how that ended. The Ul'dahns didn't record it that way - history is written by the winners, after all - but... again, it was four centuries ago, and we have no records of contemporary Ul'dahns condoning such actions, plutocrats or not.

On the subject of how we get to Garlemald (if that is what ends up happening), while I agree that having us go in as a POW, break out, and join a rebellion would be cool, from a gameplay perspective I doubt it'd happen. Too much would be inaccessible if they did it that way, unless the "Garlean Rebellion" (for want of a better term) has access to a mini-aetheryte they can install in their base and Garlemald just happens to have aetherytes its citizens can't use in its cities. I'd say there's the matter of us being an (in)famous killer to the Garleans as well, but given the crown prince of the Empire seemingly had no idea who we were when first we met perhaps most Garleans don't actually know who we are? Great opportunity for drama, though.

I currently compare the Empire's technology to that of the Thirstquencher Empire from Brave Fencer Musashi, cybernetics notwithstanding.

[Cilia]

We wouldn't be as technologically advanced without war, the most technologically advanced nations in history built that up out of necessity. Good or bad is irrelevant, it's just inevitable while people can have differing views on how the world should be run or who's god is the real one or when different lands have to compete for resources.

Wars should not be waged for the sole purpose of technological advancement. In Garlemald's case, they did not begin their large-scale and long-running campaign of conquest until after a technological breakthrough resulted in the magitek engine, which Solus zos Galvus quickly adapted for use in war.

While I agree that war is an inevitable part of life, it should be the absolute last course of action. Diplomacy should at least be tried before resorting to violence.

[Theodric]

Although. I do want us to visit Garlemald. Not necessarily as 'invading' it per se. Seems like pushing it bit too far, considering how the Eorzean alliance struggles with one legion - Legion that was lead half-assedly by uncaring loonie.

Mm. It's already a stretch that Ala Mhigo and Doma were liberated so easily - but that, at least, can largely be attributed to Zenos letting them be liberated easily. As it stands, though, a full on war with Garlemald should be something that the Warrior of Light and Scions seek to avoid at all cost. An incredible amount of people will perish on either side should it occur - and that's not including those who happen to be caught up in the middle of it all. Furthermore the Warrior of Light and Scions have already seen the bitter consequences of a thousand year long war where Ishgard is concerned.

Doma and Ala Mhigo have been liberated. If they do not attempt diplomacy at this point then they have very little moral high ground to stand on and will simply be falling prey to the same bitter hatred that consumed Ishgard. It'll merely be a case of replacing 'Dravanians' with 'Garleans'.

I'd be all for working with someone like Larsa who values peace between Eorzea and Garlemald. Larsa is particularly great since he remained loyal to his homeland and people. He did not defect, he genuinely wanted peace and diplomacy to be embraced whilst putting an end to the rot that existed not only within his own homeland but outside of it as well. Applying that to FFXIV, we've already seen countless examples of rotten figures within Eorzea and Othard but we've also seen numerous examples of good people along the way. It'll be no different with Garlemald - I have no doubt in that regard. The Warrior of Light should have little doubt either since he's encountered the likes of Regula and Baut who are wholly reasonable, honourable individuals.

Which means a full on war is not the way to go at all.

As far as Garlemald itself goes...I do get 'Midgar' vibes from what little we've seen of the place on the official world map. I also suspect that the capital itself will be much more advanced than the military fortifications we've seen in foreign territories. With that said, though, even they're pretty advanced - and whilst it's not as advanced as the Allagan stuff we've seen in the likes of Azyz Lla it's pretty close.