Is anyone else dying to get to Garlemald?

[VargasVermillion]

Certainly, the sheer potential of getting magitek car as a mount is far too good to pass by.

I doubt this will happen for the same reason cloud's bike wasn't added, they were going to add it but it looked too awkward with the mount speed the game has. motor vehicles wouldn't be as fun as they sound.

[Matriqona]

I doubt this will happen for the same reason cloud's bike wasn't added, they were going to add it but it looked too awkward with the mount speed the game has. motor vehicles wouldn't be as fun as they sound.

Eh, the speed shouldn't be that much of a deal breaker considering how we have dragons and allagan made AI balls flying at same speed. It'be lot of run to be strolling through the land with a 'car' mount though.


Although. I do want us to visit Garlemald. Not necessarily as 'invading' it per se. Seems like pushing it bit too far, considering how the Eorzean alliance struggles with one legion - Legion that was lead half-assedly by uncaring loonie.

[Theodric]

Although. I do want us to visit Garlemald. Not necessarily as 'invading' it per se. Seems like pushing it bit too far, considering how the Eorzean alliance struggles with one legion - Legion that was lead half-assedly by uncaring loonie.

Mm. It's already a stretch that Ala Mhigo and Doma were liberated so easily - but that, at least, can largely be attributed to Zenos letting them be liberated easily. As it stands, though, a full on war with Garlemald should be something that the Warrior of Light and Scions seek to avoid at all cost. An incredible amount of people will perish on either side should it occur - and that's not including those who happen to be caught up in the middle of it all. Furthermore the Warrior of Light and Scions have already seen the bitter consequences of a thousand year long war where Ishgard is concerned.

Doma and Ala Mhigo have been liberated. If they do not attempt diplomacy at this point then they have very little moral high ground to stand on and will simply be falling prey to the same bitter hatred that consumed Ishgard. It'll merely be a case of replacing 'Dravanians' with 'Garleans'.

I'd be all for working with someone like Larsa who values peace between Eorzea and Garlemald. Larsa is particularly great since he remained loyal to his homeland and people. He did not defect, he genuinely wanted peace and diplomacy to be embraced whilst putting an end to the rot that existed not only within his own homeland but outside of it as well. Applying that to FFXIV, we've already seen countless examples of rotten figures within Eorzea and Othard but we've also seen numerous examples of good people along the way. It'll be no different with Garlemald - I have no doubt in that regard. The Warrior of Light should have little doubt either since he's encountered the likes of Regula and Baut who are wholly reasonable, honourable individuals.

Which means a full on war is not the way to go at all.

As far as Garlemald itself goes...I do get 'Midgar' vibes from what little we've seen of the place on the official world map. I also suspect that the capital itself will be much more advanced than the military fortifications we've seen in foreign territories. With that said, though, even they're pretty advanced - and whilst it's not as advanced as the Allagan stuff we've seen in the likes of Azyz Lla it's pretty close.

[YianKutku]

We wouldn't be as technologically advanced without war, the most technologically advanced nations in history built that up out of necessity.

Broken window fallacy.

War tends to advance scientific research into militarily useful fields, that eventually get expanded into civilian uses in peacetime; the example that gets brought up is GPS. However, this also tends to freeze research into more blue-sky goals, like curing cancer or eradicating smallpox. This is also not including the damage war does to infrastructure, including that necessary for research.

In FFXIV, we've already seen one example of peace causing stagnation, viz the Allagan Empire. However, their wartime innovations cannot be said to be wholly beneficial (obviously), and we do know that Xande's attempts to speed up progress by executing one member of his research staff every day until they produced results is probably not the most efficient way of enhancing scientific research in all areas.

Overall, it is usually unquestioned that war brings with it much evil, regardless of the intent or justification. The debate is whether it is a necessary evil; anti-war proponents question the "necessary" part. Garlemald hiring Roegadyn battlemages to defend themselves against Hyuran raiders is probably necessary; Garlemald using magitek to conquer two and a half continents is probably not.

The War of the Sisters between Ul'dah and Sil'dih was four centuries ago. Ul'dah did commit at least one atrocity during the war - they used Traders' Spurn to turn the Sil'dihns into zombies.

There's also another incident that may or may not rise to the level of "atrocity", but is generally seen as pretty terrible. Before Ul'dah and Sil'dih were formally founded, the eventual prince of Sil'dih used the aetheryte network to ambush his enemy. The eventual prince of Ul'dah then destroyed an aetheryte while it was in use, causing eight hundred enemy soldiers to vanish without a trace.

This was seen as unconscionable enough that the Sharlayans, who set up the aetheryte network in the first place, shut down the whole thing until the civil war ended. I would not be surprised if this incident contributed greatly to Sharlayan's current isolationism, and its belief that Eorzeans are all warlike barbarians. After all, we clearly haven't shown any marked improvement in the six hundred years since.

[Matriqona]

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Pushing the idea that Eorzean Alliance could take and occupy Garlemald, is I think putting the suspension of disbelief inch too far away. It's like akin to writing a story how Mexico and Canada conquered the United States.

Another interesting thing at the moment though, is complete lacking of actual Garlean characters (By that I'm referring to once actually on the side of Garlean Empire.) There's the emperor but that's it.
I wonder, if they'll or when they will add new Garlean characters. We require our daily dose of big scary Garleans in their overly stylized 'cool' armors.

[Kallera]

Pushing the idea that Eorzean Alliance could take and occupy Garlemald, is I think putting the suspension of disbelief inch too far away. It's like akin to writing a story how Mexico and Canada conquered the United States.

Another interesting thing at the moment though, is complete lacking of actual Garlean characters (By that I'm referring to once actually on the side of Garlean Empire.) There's the emperor but that's it.
I wonder, if they'll or when they will add new Garlean characters. We require our daily dose of big scary Garleans in their overly stylized 'cool' armors.

I'm kinda hoping there are some characters that are garleans, but aren't inhuman....and not Cid.
I think I've come to hate Cid more than any other character involved. And it's not even a real hate like Thancred, but rather...he had the choice we do not, and apparently will never... have.

[EdwinLi]

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There are most likely a lot of good Garleans within Garlemald but can not escape nor defect from Garlemald because they have no means of leaving Garlemald or they believe they can change things from within their government system.

Every single Good Garlean we have met so far have only been able to escape and defect from Garlean Empire because they either had a personal means of transportation such as Cid and his airship or was already outside of Garlemald within a position to defect mostly as a member of a military sector.

It is very common tend right now that all Good garleans we know are Defectors.

[Kallera]

There are most likely a lot of good Garleans within Garlemald but can not escape nor defect from Garlemald because they have no means of leaving Garlemald or they believe they can change things from within their government system.

Every single Good Garlean we have met so far have only been able to escape and defect from Garlean Empire because they either had a personal means of transportation such as Cid and his airship or was already outside of Garlemald within a position to defect mostly as a member of a military sector.

It is very common tend right now that all Good garleans we know are Defectors.

I kinda find that ridiculous. especially if reform is what we (possibly) want. I guess were just that much a monster over there.

I just don't see a point, or anything we could replace it with. I see the point of reformation, but destroying the country feels terrible, and not the sort of terrible you can just reflect on in an afternoon and celebrate in the evening with Cid.