Healer adjustment in 4.05

**LegoTechnic** · 07-17-2017 03:37 AM

Originally Posted by CreinCrein

Chain Strategem is a flat 15% crit chance increase. Also I've already proven my point, eos and sch ogcds are still strong enough to be a backbone to an entire healing composition while nocturnal has nothing even remotely close.

Nocturnal can just as easily fill the same role. They don't because if you still need two healers for content (ie, can't single-heal), then if you bring a SCH for Chain Strategem and Eos its SCH shields cannot stack with Noct AST's so going that route is a little disagreeable. It's less a factor of what a Noct AST can do, and more that the NoctAST/SCH pair just does not synergize with shields in the slightest.

**CreinCrein** · 07-17-2017 03:49 AM

Originally Posted by LegoTechnic

Nocturnal can just as easily fill the same role. They don't because if you still need two healers for content (ie, can't single-heal), then if you bring a SCH for Chain Strategem and Eos its SCH shields cannot stack with Noct AST's so going that route is a little disagreeable. It's less a factor of what a Noct AST can do, and more that the NoctAST/SCH pair just does not synergize with shields in the slightest.

Show me a noct AST doing 3000 hps while doing 98+th percentile dps, I can already tell you it doesn't exist. Not even remotely close, only possible when you're mainhealing in diurnal in which case you'd have a SCH co with eos assisting you. Also . . . what? We're talking about N.Ast and SCH competing for the same raid slot. Bringing up N.Ast/Sch is just straight up memeing.

**LegoTechnic** · 07-17-2017 03:56 AM

Originally Posted by CreinCrein

Show me a noct AST doing 3000 hps while doing 98+th percentile dps, I can already tell you it doesn't exist. Not even remotely close, only possible when you're mainhealing in diurnal in which case you'd have a SCH co with eos assisting you. Also . . . what? We're talking about N.Ast and SCH competing for the same raid slot. Bringing up N.Ast/Sch is just straight up memeing.

Never leave the world you live in. It seems a fun place.

If you're looking for a parse where a Noct AST is playing the DPS role then you have to look at an AST/AST parse, because in situations where it's WHM/NoctAST it is almost always preferable for the WHM to DPS over the AST due to both better potency and better mana management. AST's primary DPS contribution is in its card buffs which mostly outshine its individual benefits, so having it attempt personal DPS benchmarks is less optimal than it would be for any other healer. There's nothing outright wrong with this because the card buffs are simply that good, but if personal showing on fflogs is the center of your concerns then I'm afraid that is something you may just have to accept.

**CreinCrein** · 07-17-2017 04:09 AM

I was speaking from the context of having a diurnal AST as a co-healer, while the open spot was to be a discussion between N.Ast and SCH. Your track record- claiming I was exaggerating when you didn't put effort to look at the logs to see otherwise. Using resource-less over-heal as an argument when it just proved my point further. Answer this one question though: why aren't top statics pushing the edge of what is optimally possible using either WHM/AST or AST/AST more frequently if either of those comps have any merit. Players that exceed your experience and skill. Prove me wrong. List some parses, logs ANY evidence at all.

**GDFletcher** · 07-17-2017 03:30 AM

Originally Posted by Cressidia

Adjustment Details:
■Scholar
・The introduction of “Miasma II” as a job specific skill.
・Changed the cooldown of Emergency Tactics to 20 seconds.
・Indomitability [stay tuned]
・Strengthening Excogitation.
・Changed the range of Fey Union to 15 malms.
・ Aetherpact has been changed to increase Faerie Gauge even when Aetherflow actions does not inflict an effect on the target.
・Introduction of a trait reducing the cooldown of Aetherflow.

■Astrologian
・Arcana and Royal Road cards can now be discarded via an action.

■White Mage
・Adjustments to the rate of which Healing Lilies are granted.
・Plenary Indulgence will see some major adjustments.

SCH seem good so far but i think there will be more . AST get another buff

AST dont get a buff at all, SE screwed up not allowing us to discard the Royal Road effect cards, which now requires a Skill to do what a simple mouse click did before.

**starLivitation** · 07-17-2017 04:43 AM

something i don't udnerstand.. AST shields are stronger than SCH shields, but AST isn't dependant on them, i mean they can switch these shields off if they prefer to heal. while sch, can only switch them off once every 20 seconds, why don't they just give SCH another healing mode just like ast? instead of emeregecy tactics, make sch go in full healing mode or shielding mode.

**xNewbx** · 07-17-2017 06:09 AM

Originally Posted by starLivitation

something i don't udnerstand.. AST shields are stronger than SCH shields, but AST isn't dependant on them, i mean they can switch these shields off if they prefer to heal. while sch, can only switch them off once every 20 seconds, why don't they just give SCH another healing mode just like ast? instead of emeregecy tactics, make sch go in full healing mode or shielding mode.

Once in combat you're stuck in Nocturnal Sect (shields) or Diurnal Sect (regen) for the whole fight.

**CreinCrein** · 07-17-2017 04:54 AM

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/jk1Xa...pe=damage-done, more optimal healer parse run; faster clear, yadada. All runs exceeding that one are AST/SCH. Also you didn't answer my question: why aren't more statics FREQUENTLY comping AST/AST or WHM/AST if it is more optimal than AST/SCH. Why isn't there consistency with those comps and why are SCH/AST comps outperforming WHM/AST comps in the majority of logs listed.

**technole** · 07-17-2017 05:06 AM

AST/SCH will be the optimal comp, again. You just can't beat free healing, and being able to put damage on the board while that occurs with Eos. The other comps have to always "manually" heal therefore sacrificing damage uptime GCDs. This comp has both healers with party buff utilities while the others will only have 1.

Optimally, Susano Ex is healed without a single tier-1 heal like Cure 1, Benefic, Physick. That fast run just had one Benefic II, and a few Adlos for busters. Textbook.

**Yuyuka3** · 07-17-2017 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by technole

AST/SCH will be the optimal comp, again. You just can't beat free healing, and being able to put damage on the board while that occurs with Eos. The other comps have to always "manually" heal therefore sacrificing damage uptime GCDs. This comp has both healers with party buff utilities while the others will only have 1.

Optimally, Susano Ex is healed without a single tier-1 heal like Cure 1, Benefic, Physick. That fast run just had one Benefic II, and a few Adlos for busters. Textbook.

Anyone who didn't see that coming was either blind, or just didn't want to believe. Sadly, there are far too many people on here, and as long that stays that way, nothing will ever change for WHM. And, hey. SCH is even getting buffed soon. Yaaaay...
But I'm just a WHM, I got no right to complain for some.

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