Dragoon Poll (Should DRG have a Wyvern?)

[Lienn]

I would support the wyvern idea if it used a party slot.

It's simple...DRG without pet would use 1 party slot...DRG with pet out would use 2...this way DRG could be perfectly balanced and so does the pet, without having any of them weakened. IMO this mechanics should be added to every single pet class...the pet always using a PT slot and being even to any character in performance (also having lv up, gear abilities...very similar to the fellow NPC mechanics used in FFXI).

I voted yes for pet because i like having pets...i love soloing and FFXI already offered a very nice pet/fellow NPC system that could be used here too.

I can just imagine we using pet classes so 2 players would be even to a 4 players party (and even receiving the light party buff) or even 6 if they summon they companions too...would make the party system very flexible!

I'm not sure how many of you played seriously with the fellow NPC in FFXI, but i did played alot with 3 players + 3 fellow NPCs there, having them replacing missing Dmelee players in parties without any problems...and i do think this could be used here too...just imagine...you're in PT...someone need to leave. A player just change to a pet class and summon the pet to that spot and they keep going.

[Tonkra]

I would support the wyvern idea if it used a party slot.

It's simple...DRG without pet would use 1 party slot...DRG with pet out would use 2...this way DRG could be perfectly balanced and so does the pet, without having any of them weakened. IMO this mechanics should be added to every single pet class...the pet always using a PT slot and being even to any character in performance (also having lv up, gear abilities...very similar to the fellow NPC mechanics used in FFXI).

Not a really good idea.. a pet never ever replaces a real player. that would be just one more reason for all haters not to invite a drg.

i mean... a drg with a wyvern pet would do much more damage than a simple lancer although he would do about 15-20% less pole damage than a lancer... you have to look at the total damage and thats what it is about. maybe the wyvern attacks would add about 40% to the total damage? more damage in total than a lancer can do on his own.

so i dont understand people to get frightened about "woah i would get weaker when they're going to implement a pet". seems to me like "increasing my p** size"


i mean pet classes like "hunter" or "warlock" in WoW are for example are not less dangerous because they have a pet. On the contrary

[Lienn]

Not a really good idea.. a pet never ever replaces a real player. that would be just one more reason for all haters not to invite a drg.

i mean... a drg with a wyvern pet would do much more damage than a simple lancer although he would do about 15-20% less pole damage than a lancer... you have to look at the total damage and thats what it is about. maybe the wyvern attacks would add about 40% to the total damage? more damage in total than a lancer can do on his own.

so i dont understand people to get frightened about "woah i would get weaker when they're going to implement a pet". seems to me like "increasing my p** size"


i mean pet classes like "hunter" or "warlock" in WoW are for example are not less dangerous because they have a pet. On the contrary

Well, it wouldn't really make DRGs OP...the pet would be even in performance but also in cost...you wouldn't be able to summon the wyvern if the PT was full. This is why they wouldn't need to gimp DRGs in any way.

[Tonkra]

Well, it wouldn't really make DRGs OP...the pet would be even in performance but also in cost...you wouldn't be able to summon the wyvern if the PT was full. This is why they wouldn't need to gimp DRGs in any way.

why do you and all are talking about "gimping" the damage because of receiving a pet? Ever heard anything of "logic"? i dont get it.

YES it does mean to slightly weaken the damage table of the polearm weapon but it also means to add up the wyvern damage. so all in all maybe in the end its more dmg?
Its so much of an advantage to be a petclass... you have the advantage to be two chars (attacking 2 players at the same time and stuff like that)
Just look like classes like Hunter or Warlock in WoW. they REALLY count to the more powerful classes.

as an example:
a job like Lancermaster 125% polearm damage = 125%

Dragoon 100% pole damage + Wyvern damage (lets say) 40% damage = 140% + of the advantage to be two and not only one character

yes the dragoon in comparison to the lancemaster does less polearm damage, because he counts to the hybrid class damage table. but therefore he receives a pet to his side doing damage besides his own.
all in all the dragoon ends up being much more of a damage dealer than the lancemaster.

with advantages like in FFXI that the wyvern had abillities like "healing" breath or that, as a duo, they could perform weapon skillchains on their own. so you have also tactically advantages!

This and all the typical dragonic skills like jump attack etc. we know a dragoon can perform.

[Nayt]

why do you and all are talking about "gimping" the damage because of receiving a pet? Ever heard anything of "logic"? i dont get it.

YES it does mean to slightly weaken the damage table of the polearm weapon but it also means to add up the wyvern damage. so all in all maybe in the end its more dmg?
Its so much of an advantage to be a petclass...
Just look like classes like Hunter or Warlock in WoW. they REALLY count to the more powerful classes.

as an example:
a job like Lancermaster 125% polearm damage = 125%

Dragoon 100% pole damage + Wyvern damage (lets say) 40% damage = 140% + of the advantage to be two and not only one character

yes the dragoon in comparison to the lancemaster does less polearm damage, because he counts to the hybrid class damage table. but therefore he receives a pet to his side doing damage besides his own.
all in all the dragoon ends up being much more of a damage dealer than the lancemaster.

with advantages like in FFXI that the wyvern had abillities like "healing" breath or that, as a duo, they could perform weapon skillchains on their own. (besides all typical dragonic skills, like jump attack and so on)

You're referencing WoW, where balance is like a rubber ball.

There's no way SE would give a dragoon 15% extra damage output just because they have an additional pet, unless they made it really technical, difficult or a wyvern made of paper. They would be forced to balance it, giving this boost a downside one way or another.

I rather fight on my own than rely on a braindead AI companion. That's why I play an MMO, and not a single player game with a bunch of NPC's running around, "helping" me

[Tonkra]

You're referencing WoW, where balance is like a rubber ball.

There's no way SE would give a dragoon 15% extra damage output just because they have an additional pet, unless they made it really technical, difficult or a wyvern made of paper. They would be forced to balance it, giving this boost a downside one way or another.

I rather fight on my own than rely on a braindead AI companion

am well thats balancing about... if the damage dealer role is in form of an additional pet.. then its the way like this.
in FFXI the wyvern was also a damage add of about 30%> to his own weapon damage.
When i did for example 140 damage with auto attack the wyvern did around 55 damage
and yes the dragoon fit in the damage dealer role because of this.
while a drk did maybe 180 with one attack

its not that YOU (the dragoon itself) has to do the damage all in all to count as a damage dealer. you have to see the TOTAL damage of pet+dragoon itsself to say that he is a damage dealer. (and he was in FFXI)

SE would do it maybe this way (yoshida said they would need to slightly decrease the pole damage but in contrast taking the wyvern damage into account) :

DRG in 1.21. Polearm Damage 100% -> total damage of 100%
DRG in 2.0. Pole Damage 75% + Wyvern damage 25/35% -> 100%/110%

it could mean that you do almost the same damage or it can also mean that they will increase the damage (as a total drg+wyvern) because there is a risk for the wyvern pet to die. and to compansate this, giving him slightly more damage as a total.

WE dont know how they would balance this.
But all people are saying "they gimp my damage"... yes they do.. the poledamage itself.. but it doesnt mean that they "gimp" the whole damage.


what i can say petclasses are always very powerful in every single MMorpg... especially when it comes to PVP! just to tell you this. its an advantage to control two chars at the same time ...

coming from MMorpgs like DarkAgeOfCamelot, WAR, AION, LINEAGE II etc.

[Nayt]

am well thats balancing about... if the damage dealer role is in form of an additional pet.. then its the way like this.
in FFXI the wyvern was also a damage add of about 30%> to his own weapon damage.
and yes the dragoon fit in the damage dealer role because of this.

it not that YOU have to do the damage all in all to count as a damage dealer. you have to see the TOTAL damage of pet+dragoon itsself to say that he is a damage dealer. (and he was in FFXI)

That's exactly what I said?

My point being that you seemed to suggest it would deal more damage in your previous post.

My other point being that since it would be balanced regardless, I rather see it wyvern-less because I like dragoon and I prefer to fight without pets.

[Nayt]

I would support the wyvern idea if it used a party slot.

It's simple...DRG without pet would use 1 party slot...DRG with pet out would use 2...this way DRG could be perfectly balanced and so does the pet, without having any of them weakened. IMO this mechanics should be added to every single pet class...the pet always using a PT slot and being even to any character in performance (also having lv up, gear abilities...very similar to the fellow NPC mechanics used in FFXI).

This seems to be the way they're implementing chocobo mounts. Since dragons are also preliminary mounts, I guess that's where we would want to see them. That way we wouldn't have to deal with DRG getting gimped by a pet.

Because (if it wasn't clear enough) I do not want a pet for DRG!

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Not a really good idea.. a pet never ever replaces a real player. that would be just one more reason for all haters not to invite a drg.

i mean... a drg with a wyvern pet would do much more damage than a simple lancer although he would do about 15-20% less pole damage than a lancer... you have to look at the total damage and thats what it is about. maybe the wyvern attacks would add about 40% to the total damage? more damage in total than a lancer can do on his own.

so i dont understand people to get frightened about "woah i would get weaker when they're going to implement a pet". seems to me like "increasing my p** size"


i mean pet classes like "hunter" or "warlock" in WoW are for example are not less dangerous because they have a pet. On the contrary

The pet wouldn't make the job stronger than if it was without a pet. They would scale the damage down so it was roughly about the same, the only difference being that your pet did a portion of that damage. So please stop talking about genitalia.