Dragoon Poll (Should DRG have a Wyvern?)

[SilvertearRen]

without a wyvern its a lancer, with a wyvern is a dragoon

Only from a Final Fantasy XI player's perspective. I provided links to the Dragoon article for the Final Fantasy series. Please educate yourself before making such an ignorant statement.

[Wataruryu]

Only from a Final Fantasy XI player's perspective. I provided links to the Dragoon article for the Final Fantasy series. Please educate yourself before making such an ignorant statement.

I normally don't reply to stuff in forums because its not my thing, but I read a lot of what goes on in here and I'm normally in agreement with your post. This time I think you should take your own advice and reread the dragoon article you linked.

The first appearance of the dragoon (dragon knight) is in FF2. They rode dragons, and I believe it states fought along side wyverns. Point is playable or not the wyvern dragoon combo has existed in the dragoon history before FF11; It is in fact ingrained into the first incarnation of the job.

[SilvertearRen]

I normally don't reply to stuff in forums because its not my thing, but I read a lot of what goes on in here and I'm normally in agreement with your post. This time I think you should take your own advice and reread the dragoon article you linked.

The first appearance of the dragoon (dragon knight) is in FF2. They rode dragons, and I believe it states fought along side wyverns. Point is playable or not the wyvern dragoon combo has existed in the dragoon history before FF11; It is in fact ingrained into the first incarnation of the job.

This is true, but since then it has become more of the Freya/Kain Highwind version that has become the template for most Dragoons in the FF series.

Besides...aren't we getting Drake mounts?

[Wataruryu]

This is true, but since then it has become more of the Freya/Kain Highwind version that has become the template for most Dragoons in the FF series.

Besides...aren't we getting Drake mounts?

Yes you are correct in the Kain/Freya versions being the main staple to look to now (I'm super pumped the new dragoon armor looks to be Kain inspired). The point I was trying to get across is your FF11 argument had a hole in it, and you called some one ignorant;That they need to check their facts. Normally you put up decent statements to argue your points, but when you attack some one for doing something that you yourself should have done; It takes from the credibility of the points your trying to get across in your post. I'm not trying to attack you or anything I'm just trying to help out.

[SilvertearRen]

Yes you are correct in the Kain/Freya versions being the main staple to look to now (I'm super pumped the new dragoon armor looks to be Kain inspired). The point I was trying to get across is your FF11 argument had a hole in it, and you called some one ignorant;That they need to check their facts. Normally you put up decent statements to argue your points, but when you attack some one for doing something that you yourself should have done; It takes from the credibility of the points your trying to get across in your post. I'm not trying to attack you or anything I'm just trying to help out.

You do realize I could care less about the Dragoon from FF11, right?

And I still stand by my statement about that other poster being ignorant.

And I appreciate you trying to help but I feel like you're trying to put a chink in what I'm trying to present - if you took into account ONLY Final Fantasy II, you'd have a valid point, but when you take all of known examples of Dragoon together, it's pretty clear that the poster has only played FFXI.

Dumping everything the fans want based on previous entries has a high probability of stifling potentially creative and interesting ideas they might have implemented otherwise. What you and everyone else should want is just a "badass Dragoon", and let the devs handle the details.

I'm also against the idea of Dragoon having a pet simply because I want to see what new direction they might take the job to, but I don't want to eliminate the possibility of it having one as they might also do some creative stuff there as well.

Good way to put it.

I want a badass dragoon. Not a paper-mache toy flapping like an annoying gnat next to me.

[Wataruryu]

Again wasn't attacking you. Like I said, I agree with some of the threads you've put up. I would like them to be looked at seriously, instead of being picked apart. This is one of those things that detract from the credibility of said postings, but I digress. I'll shut my mouth, just go back to reading, and just hitting the like button if I see a good post. My mistake for trying to speak to a like minded person.

[SilvertearRen]

Again wasn't attacking you. Like I said, I agree with some of the threads you've put up. I would like them to be looked at seriously, instead of being picked apart. This is one of those things that detract from the credibility of said postings, but I digress. I'll shut my mouth, just go back to reading, and just hitting the like button if I see a good post. My mistake for trying to speak to a like minded person.

Sorry. I'm just a bit tired myself. Been worn out from a long week of studies. That, and for some stupid reason, my joints are in a lot of pain.

Don't worry about my credibility, alright?

[Lienn]

I would support the wyvern idea if it used a party slot.

It's simple...DRG without pet would use 1 party slot...DRG with pet out would use 2...this way DRG could be perfectly balanced and so does the pet, without having any of them weakened. IMO this mechanics should be added to every single pet class...the pet always using a PT slot and being even to any character in performance (also having lv up, gear abilities...very similar to the fellow NPC mechanics used in FFXI).

I voted yes for pet because i like having pets...i love soloing and FFXI already offered a very nice pet/fellow NPC system that could be used here too.

I can just imagine we using pet classes so 2 players would be even to a 4 players party (and even receiving the light party buff) or even 6 if they summon they companions too...would make the party system very flexible!

I'm not sure how many of you played seriously with the fellow NPC in FFXI, but i did played alot with 3 players + 3 fellow NPCs there, having them replacing missing Dmelee players in parties without any problems...and i do think this could be used here too...just imagine...you're in PT...someone need to leave. A player just change to a pet class and summon the pet to that spot and they keep going.

[Tonkra]

I would support the wyvern idea if it used a party slot.

It's simple...DRG without pet would use 1 party slot...DRG with pet out would use 2...this way DRG could be perfectly balanced and so does the pet, without having any of them weakened. IMO this mechanics should be added to every single pet class...the pet always using a PT slot and being even to any character in performance (also having lv up, gear abilities...very similar to the fellow NPC mechanics used in FFXI).

Not a really good idea.. a pet never ever replaces a real player. that would be just one more reason for all haters not to invite a drg.

i mean... a drg with a wyvern pet would do much more damage than a simple lancer although he would do about 15-20% less pole damage than a lancer... you have to look at the total damage and thats what it is about. maybe the wyvern attacks would add about 40% to the total damage? more damage in total than a lancer can do on his own.

so i dont understand people to get frightened about "woah i would get weaker when they're going to implement a pet". seems to me like "increasing my p** size"


i mean pet classes like "hunter" or "warlock" in WoW are for example are not less dangerous because they have a pet. On the contrary

[Lienn]

Not a really good idea.. a pet never ever replaces a real player. that would be just one more reason for all haters not to invite a drg.

i mean... a drg with a wyvern pet would do much more damage than a simple lancer although he would do about 15-20% less pole damage than a lancer... you have to look at the total damage and thats what it is about. maybe the wyvern attacks would add about 40% to the total damage? more damage in total than a lancer can do on his own.

so i dont understand people to get frightened about "woah i would get weaker when they're going to implement a pet". seems to me like "increasing my p** size"


i mean pet classes like "hunter" or "warlock" in WoW are for example are not less dangerous because they have a pet. On the contrary

Well, it wouldn't really make DRGs OP...the pet would be even in performance but also in cost...you wouldn't be able to summon the wyvern if the PT was full. This is why they wouldn't need to gimp DRGs in any way.