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    Another Post About Healer Dps

    So i feel like there is a misconception about healers and dps that has existed for a long time. There is this major stress on healers to dps that causes new healers especially to fret.

    As a long time healer here is my thought everyone sees it as a two way split you do or you don't dps. I believe that there is actually a third however. Dps if you can. This is the school i follow. Now what do I mean? Easy don't dps if people will die.

    Trials, raids, and dungeons are completely different depending on your group. Example I got yelled at for not dpsing much in a trial just yesterday. The reason I pulled back is because people flat out couldn't keep from taking damage.

    So healers my advice is just do what you are comfortable with dps if you can, but don't force it.
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    I don't know if it's because I'm biased or what, but every time this debate comes up I notice the same thing. People for healer dps say the same thing as you, that healers should dps if and when they have the time. And then the people against healer dps say no they shouldn't because they have to stop healing to dps which isn't even an argument people for healer dps are making. I've even seen people say that healers should be able to stand idle and do nothing if they have time, but they shouldn't have to dps because they have to stop healing to dps. It honestly feels like the two sides aren't even a part of the same conversation.
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    That's fair. One of the reasons I'm in favor of healer dps is that the group cant take damage if the enemy is dead therefore less healing.
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    Are you a Healer? Keeping the party healed? Role accomplished. You a tank? Boss not cleaving the whole party and staying put, focused on you? role accomplished. You a dps? you doing damage to the boss and not afk? role coomplished(but seriously try to do the rotation as best as possible) role accompliished. Honestly never give a person flak unless theyre trying to dps and failing horribly at healing/tanking. Idk what the big deal is, its sort of like, how do these people, without parsers, even know how much dps a healer/tank is doing to begin with? Also why is it something theyre watching for, when theres plenty to concentrate on already
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    I'm not giving anyone flak just having leveled many other classes as well I always find it odd when healers just stand there. Don't they get bored? haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freerider View Post
    Trials, raids, and dungeons are completely different depending on your group. Example I got yelled at for not dpsing much in a trial just yesterday.
    Yelled at in the DF though, right? Pretty sure those fights are tuned to the fact that most of the raid won't be playing anywhere near optimally - healers included. If anyone is being that much of a prat about it leave and re-queue. Healing is reactionary –*if the group plays well you can dps, it is totally up to how well the other players perform whether healers get dps windows or not.
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    Adding most important part of being a healer is being calm. If a healer stays calm they usually can see openings to dps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freerider View Post
    I'm not giving anyone flak just having leveled many other classes as well I always find it odd when healers just stand there. Don't they get bored? haha
    ohhh man one time in a toto rak we got the epitome of the netflix healer, to be fair it was a scholar, thatd just jump around the boss rooms, and i think i counted a total of 2 physiks getting thrown up. It was a really charming event. And yeah as far as you or probably me or alot of others, that seems boringm but eh nobody died so
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    Quote Originally Posted by ADVSS View Post
    Idk what the big deal is, its sort of like, how do these people, without parsers, even know how much dps a healer/tank is doing to begin with? Also why is it something theyre watching for, when theres plenty to concentrate on already
    Are you aware of the concept of ABC (always be casting)? It's something I follow more then any other healing related creed - that said, though, I fully agree with OP in that healers DPSing to contribute to overall party performance is a cool thing to do.
    Should keep in mind, though, that no two parties are the same. Some people might be new, some people might not be new but might also not give a fek about doing mechanics, hell maybe they have some sort of disability and them standing in poop every time isn't exactly involuntary - all these things and more can contribute to a healer not feeling okay about DPSing much in an instance.

    In any case, though, while I do agree with OP 100% in that healers can DPS WHEN COMFORTABLE with it, if they don't I likely won't be giving them any issues about it. Why? Don't care. ABC might be something I personally follow because it is the method that is the most fun for me, but honestly? In DF so long as nobody dies to things too idiotic then I don't really even care, I see stupid crap all the time and don't bother calling anyone out because most people just want their daily tomes/ exp and get out quick. Me included.

    Even in ex primals... don't care. A kill is a kill. I might sigh irritably at some crap but for me to bother trying to change their minds or leave or whatever... it's just too much effort.
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    Last edited by Spiroglyph; 07-15-2017 at 05:25 PM. Reason: edit coz i suck at ingrish

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    If I'm brand new to the content, I'll add some dps but maybe not as much cause I wanna make sure everyone is alive and that I'm learning mechanics so I don't die. Once I learn it DPS becomes more prominent.
    But it really is a two way street, can't contribute DPS if people are dying.
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