Getting Kicked as a Tank from Dungeons for Power Pulls! No more for me!

[BigRed5392]

I had the OP in a dungeon the other day. We were in the Aery, the healer had ilvl 90-ish gear mostly and he complained about it the whole run despite the healer keeping him alive. They argued a lot, we got to the last boss, then he demanded we either kick the healer, kick him, or sit there and wait for the dungeon to time out. The healer told him to just finish the run because they didn't want to hurt us (the dps), he (the OP) refused.

The healer really should've had better gear, but they were getting the job done. And when he decided to hold the group hostage we decided to just kick him. Luckily we got a replacement tank instantly and cleared the dungeon. OP, you should work on your attitude.

tank was in their right to complain. having i90 gear is pretty bad even at 50. "getting the job done" is and has been a lame excuse to give people a free pass. Tanks can be hard to play more so on the NA data center with all the selfish attitudes around. Tank is the one putting their hp pool up against 3-20 mobs at a time and need healers up to the task. The healer shoulda been kicked for their gear. imo you and the healer had the attitude, not the tank. Try thinking about others for change, b ut ppl think tanks are all but useless with some of the shi i've seen.

[Kazrah]

tank was in their right to complain. having i90 gear is pretty bad even at 50. "getting the job done" is and has been a lame excuse to give people a free pass. Tanks can be hard to play more so on the NA data center with all the selfish attitudes around

Or you can do what tanks are meant to do: take it like a champ.

[Syrehn]

tank was in their right to complain. having i90 gear is pretty bad even at 50. "getting the job done" is and has been a lame excuse to give people a free pass. Tanks can be hard to play more so on the NA data center with all the selfish attitudes around. Tank is the one putting their hp pool up against 3-20 mobs at a time and need healers up to the task. The healer shoulda been kicked for their gear. imo you and the healer had the attitude, not the tank. Try thinking about others for change, b ut ppl think tanks are all but useless with some of the shi i've seen.

Tanks need to gauge their parties limitations and adjust accordingly. Can they pull 20 mobs and the healer handle it ok, or can they pull 20 mobs and the dps handle it ok. If they're not paying attention to the flow of the party and adapting then they're clearly pants on head retarded and deserve all the kicks; especially if they get toxic about something they don't like.

[YitharV2]

tank was in their right to complain. having i90 gear is pretty bad even at 50. "getting the job done" is and has been a lame excuse to give people a free pass. Tanks can be hard to play more so on the NA data center with all the selfish attitudes around. Tank is the one putting their hp pool up against 3-20 mobs at a time and need healers up to the task. The healer shoulda been kicked for their gear. imo you and the healer had the attitude, not the tank. Try thinking about others for change, b ut ppl think tanks are all but useless with some of the shi i've seen.

Yes, it's bad. But if it was really that bad he should've just left or kicked the healer and be done with it rather than complaining the whole run.

The fact that OP's been kicked 20 times as a tank says that the problem is probably the OP. Parties generally do not want to kick the tank.

[Adire]

tank was in their right to complain. having i90 gear is pretty bad even at 50. "getting the job done" is and has been a lame excuse to give people a free pass. Tanks can be hard to play more so on the NA data center with all the selfish attitudes around. Tank is the one putting their hp pool up against 3-20 mobs at a time and need healers up to the task. The healer shoulda been kicked for their gear. imo you and the healer had the attitude, not the tank. Try thinking about others for change, b ut ppl think tanks are all but useless with some of the shi i've seen.

I was on the tank's side until he started complaining after literally every pull and holding the group hostage. Me and the other DPS had nothing to do with the tank and healer's squabble and the dungeon was being completed, all we wanted was to finish and get out of there. The tank just had to deal with it for one more fight and he'd be done, but he chose to throw a tantrum and attempt to use wait times as leverage over us. The healer on the other hand was with us, just wanted to finish and be done and was being far more mature about the situation.

Also, I don't need lectured about the difficulties of being a tank. I have paladin at 70 and warrior and dark knight at 60. I do my fair share of tanking and don't feel the need to behave like the world revolves around me.

Kicking anyone in the run was unnecessary as we were moving along fine, albeit with slow pulls. The fact we cleared right after the tank got kicked proves he was in the wrong. The only reason we decided to kick him was because he was the obstacle in the way of completing the run because of his tantrum, not the healer.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Side note: If the healer met the requirements to get into the dungeon then their ilvl wasn't too low, even if some personally think it is.

TBF I've queued into all of the below 60 leveling dungeons wearing level 1 glamour gear and gathering right side. I fixed my gear once I was inside, but non 50/60/70 dungeons don't even have an ilvl limit, as far as I'm aware.

[Syrehn]

TBF I've queued into all of the below 60 leveling dungeons wearing level 1 glamour gear and gathering right side. I fixed my gear once I was inside, but non 50/60/70 dungeons don't even have an ilvl limit, as far as I'm aware.

Oh, you're right.

I stand corrected, I assumed there was but I guess that's just for max level dungeons. I'll edit that part of my post.

[Maku]

tank was in their right to complain. having i90 gear is pretty bad even at 50. "getting the job done" is and has been a lame excuse to give people a free pass. Tanks can be hard to play more so on the NA data center with all the selfish attitudes around. Tank is the one putting their hp pool up against 3-20 mobs at a time and need healers up to the task. The healer shoulda been kicked for their gear. imo you and the healer had the attitude, not the tank. Try thinking about others for change, b ut ppl think tanks are all but useless with some of the shi i've seen.

If iLVL 90 gear was getting the job done why does anyone have the right to complain? What good does it do anyone to replace a healer (the second hardest job to get to que of anything let alone dungeons that are already in progress) that can do the job with a healer that can do the job with better gear? Complaining about his gear when he is doing his job, which is keeping him alive, just wastes time. The tank was wasting everyone's time just to complain about nothing.


Even getting healers like myself who push DPS as hard as possible hardly speeds up a run more than a minute or two. The tank had zero right to complain if the job is getting done.

[ExKage]

Try thinking about others for change

The tank was holding two people (DPS) hostage because of one (1) person [OP or the healer]. Think about what I bolded and quoted, and apply that to what happened.

AFAIK, tanks holding players hostage like this actually is a reportable offense and I have actually reported a tank back in ARR who, only because of slower DPS, sat down and demanded to be let go at the last boss. We said no. He continued to sit and demanded to be kicked. One of the DPS decided to just be rid of him and I reported him. GM responded with pleasantries telling me yah it sucked we'll look into it.

I had a lvl 43 Gladiator in one of my leveling Stone Vigil runs. We asked them about job stone etc. They didn't realize how much it would help. The SCH didn't pitch a fit, demanding to leave or go. We took it a bit slower and got it done. Was it a learning experience for them? Yes. Did we ask them to get their job stone? Yes. We didn't pitch a fit and demanded to be kicked.

If you want to leave, do it yourself.

[YitharV2]

Oh, you're right.

I stand corrected, I assumed there was but I guess that's just for max level dungeons. I'll edit that part of my post.

Also Heavensward leveling dungeons don't have an item level requirement either. The Aery is one of these dungeons.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._ilvl_minimum/