Getting Kicked as a Tank from Dungeons for Power Pulls! No more for me!

[YitharV2]

tank was in their right to complain. having i90 gear is pretty bad even at 50. "getting the job done" is and has been a lame excuse to give people a free pass. Tanks can be hard to play more so on the NA data center with all the selfish attitudes around. Tank is the one putting their hp pool up against 3-20 mobs at a time and need healers up to the task. The healer shoulda been kicked for their gear. imo you and the healer had the attitude, not the tank. Try thinking about others for change, b ut ppl think tanks are all but useless with some of the shi i've seen.

Yes, it's bad. But if it was really that bad he should've just left or kicked the healer and be done with it rather than complaining the whole run.

The fact that OP's been kicked 20 times as a tank says that the problem is probably the OP. Parties generally do not want to kick the tank.

[Adire]

tank was in their right to complain. having i90 gear is pretty bad even at 50. "getting the job done" is and has been a lame excuse to give people a free pass. Tanks can be hard to play more so on the NA data center with all the selfish attitudes around. Tank is the one putting their hp pool up against 3-20 mobs at a time and need healers up to the task. The healer shoulda been kicked for their gear. imo you and the healer had the attitude, not the tank. Try thinking about others for change, b ut ppl think tanks are all but useless with some of the shi i've seen.

I was on the tank's side until he started complaining after literally every pull and holding the group hostage. Me and the other DPS had nothing to do with the tank and healer's squabble and the dungeon was being completed, all we wanted was to finish and get out of there. The tank just had to deal with it for one more fight and he'd be done, but he chose to throw a tantrum and attempt to use wait times as leverage over us. The healer on the other hand was with us, just wanted to finish and be done and was being far more mature about the situation.

Also, I don't need lectured about the difficulties of being a tank. I have paladin at 70 and warrior and dark knight at 60. I do my fair share of tanking and don't feel the need to behave like the world revolves around me.

Kicking anyone in the run was unnecessary as we were moving along fine, albeit with slow pulls. The fact we cleared right after the tank got kicked proves he was in the wrong. The only reason we decided to kick him was because he was the obstacle in the way of completing the run because of his tantrum, not the healer.

[Maku]

tank was in their right to complain. having i90 gear is pretty bad even at 50. "getting the job done" is and has been a lame excuse to give people a free pass. Tanks can be hard to play more so on the NA data center with all the selfish attitudes around. Tank is the one putting their hp pool up against 3-20 mobs at a time and need healers up to the task. The healer shoulda been kicked for their gear. imo you and the healer had the attitude, not the tank. Try thinking about others for change, b ut ppl think tanks are all but useless with some of the shi i've seen.

If iLVL 90 gear was getting the job done why does anyone have the right to complain? What good does it do anyone to replace a healer (the second hardest job to get to que of anything let alone dungeons that are already in progress) that can do the job with a healer that can do the job with better gear? Complaining about his gear when he is doing his job, which is keeping him alive, just wastes time. The tank was wasting everyone's time just to complain about nothing.


Even getting healers like myself who push DPS as hard as possible hardly speeds up a run more than a minute or two. The tank had zero right to complain if the job is getting done.

[ExKage]

Try thinking about others for change

The tank was holding two people (DPS) hostage because of one (1) person [OP or the healer]. Think about what I bolded and quoted, and apply that to what happened.

AFAIK, tanks holding players hostage like this actually is a reportable offense and I have actually reported a tank back in ARR who, only because of slower DPS, sat down and demanded to be let go at the last boss. We said no. He continued to sit and demanded to be kicked. One of the DPS decided to just be rid of him and I reported him. GM responded with pleasantries telling me yah it sucked we'll look into it.

I had a lvl 43 Gladiator in one of my leveling Stone Vigil runs. We asked them about job stone etc. They didn't realize how much it would help. The SCH didn't pitch a fit, demanding to leave or go. We took it a bit slower and got it done. Was it a learning experience for them? Yes. Did we ask them to get their job stone? Yes. We didn't pitch a fit and demanded to be kicked.

If you want to leave, do it yourself.

[missybee]

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I'm conflicted.

It's like, on the one hand I want to give you positive reinforcement for making your own comment about your own experiences...but on the other hand, this comment is so asinine.

Like, did you fail to see the part where OP acted like an entitled baby and held the party hostage? Sure, having i90 is lazy, but lazy =! asshole. According to Adire's post, the healer was "up to the task," they just had shitty gear.

...and yeah, you're right. Everyone must think tanks are totally useless. It's not like it's a requirement to have at least one in most content. Absolutely not one of the two jobs in super high demand at all times. What are you even on about?

[eikomakimachi]

tank was in their right to complain. having i90 gear is pretty bad even at 50. "getting the job done" is and has been a lame excuse to give people a free pass. Tanks can be hard to play more so on the NA data center with all the selfish attitudes around. Tank is the one putting their hp pool up against 3-20 mobs at a time and need healers up to the task. The healer shoulda been kicked for their gear. imo you and the healer had the attitude, not the tank. Try thinking about others for change, b ut ppl think tanks are all but useless with some of the shi i've seen.

While I agree i90 is low and the tank had the right to complain, if the healer was doing his job I would be much more worried about that tank's bad attitude by holding the rest of the group hostage. If that healer pissed him so much he should have just left.

If I followed that point of view I should have kicked lots of tanks that joined my roulettes in the past just because I considered them undergeared and they would make my job as healer harder. Except for one case in which I remember it was really IMPOSSIBLE to keep up (tank had less hp than I had as SCH and I couldn't throw one Physick without having all mobs turn to kill me, the tank took the cue before we even said anything and abandoned the duty), most of the times we managed to finish the run and tanks were super cool with us telling they should get higher ilv.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

tank was in their right to complain. having i90 gear is pretty bad even at 50. "getting the job done" is and has been a lame excuse to give people a free pass. Tanks can be hard to play more so on the NA data center with all the selfish attitudes around. Tank is the one putting their hp pool up against 3-20 mobs at a time and need healers up to the task. The healer shoulda been kicked for their gear. imo you and the healer had the attitude, not the tank. Try thinking about others for change, b ut ppl think tanks are all but useless with some of the shi i've seen.

I sided with the tank right up until he continuously whined about the healer's gear, and especially after waiting until the very last boss to make his threat. He knew precisely what he was doing and merely thought to waste the healer's time. If said person were purposefully trolling or being a twat, I happily encourage kicking them at that last second. This isn't such an example though. The healer likely didn't realize how much harder leveling dungeons get in the expansion. If it bothered said tank so much, either leave or kick them right away. Frankly, unless the healer was causing issues, I would rather tough out the run than wait for another healer.

[Aeeninwen_Taldel]

I've never got kicked for pulling too little or too much. Generally, if I'm not pulling much it's because I don't know the dungeon. I have healers ask if I will pull more, if they feel I'm not pulling enough. If I'm pulling too much, then I know because I end up wiping, or losing aggro, and I adjust accordingly. The only time I've ever been kicked was when I D/C'd due to server errors and had a 4000+ queue wait, and I had the person I was running with tell the others to kick me. Unfortunately they had to abandon the queue cause there wasn't enough tanks that could do the dungeon being stuck behind the first instance.

[Pondera]

Given the state of roles in this game, they're probably going to be waiting for a tank longer than the half hour it will take for you to wait for the deserter debuff to pass and get into another dungeon with better people instantly. As for power pulls, never stop trying to improve and test your limits! Big pulls! All the way to Ala Mhigo!!!

[Freyt]

So far haven't had a tank die in SB content with my healing, though I'm only a level 66 sch at the moment. I've had them do dangerous pulls and sometimes they're bad at avoiding the aoe's, but I really think healers can output more healing and for a longer period of time than they think they can.

Had a few of them pop their immortality a few times. Just because I knew they were going to live when they only had 6% HP doesn't mean they knew, I guess.