Dragoon pet

[Khal_Drogo]

Too late to change direction. There was no information indicating Dragoon would have a Wyvern or a pet of any sort, and going by that, if they decide on the spur of the moment to change Dragoon from a crit-based class to a pet class, that would effectively delay patch 1.21 for four months. And that's a very conservative estimate.

I'm sure you don't want the entire playerbase mad at you.

Did you not hear about the live letter? There was so much chatter about DRG having a pet that Yoshi said something about wanting to explore this option to the fullest before moving ahead w/ their current plans...

As for the "delaying patch" thing, I don't know about you, but I don't give a shit about how long it takes for patches to come out. I'm a quality > quantity kind of guy. I'd prefer 1 flawless patch every 6 months to an endless supply of poor content every month to 2 months. So, bring on the delay. More power to em, if it means making a better game.

[Teakwood]

Dear god...Normally, I try to read through an entire thread before I "pick my battles," but I just could NOT let this one go. Seriously, what is SO wrong with trying something NEW. You remind me of those old people who desperately cling to their culture and traditions. "Dragoons -fight- dragons." That's what they've done in the past (aside from in XI), so that's what they should always do for the rest of eternity? That's your masterful insight on the issue? And no one said they couldn't still be "powerful attackers." Yoshi said he would have to find a way to balance the job...that might just mean something like "no more skewer/doomspike moves" -so it's a beast of a job on single targets, but it has nothing that can do significant damage to crowds (except for maybe a single 2k+ tp that combines w/ a breath move from wyvern, or something -possibly? hopefully?).

Anyway, towards the end of XI (pre-abyssea, cuz I haven't touched the game since it was released), dragoon finally found it's "edge" with colibris and what-not. Of course, polearm-weilding sams could still outdmg em, if i remember correctly, but that wouldn't be an issue in this game, since wpns are "the jobs." (on a side note...I hate that -makes each class less unique when you restrict their wpn options, but that's another issue). I realize that it's a lot to take on, but it's worth the effort. One thing I hated about XI is that they never really, fully, utilized Dragoon's potential. They should have found some more innovative ways to portray the different sub job combinations (like they did w/ rdm and whm subs).

The best thing about a wyvern is that it furthers the OVERWHELMING need to distinguish one class/job from another. Instead of figuring out how to properly "nerf" lancer/dragoon, how bout trying to find some innovative ways to "beef up" the other classes, since as of right now...cnj and thm are GROSSLY overpowered.

Soooooo...

Building Dragoon as a positional crit-master class /isn't/ actually a new and fresh take on the job...

But giving them a Wyvern and making them just like FFXI's /is/ trying something new?

That's an exciting analysis of the situation.

[SilvertearRen]

Did you not hear about the live letter? There was so much chatter about DRG having a pet that Yoshi said something about wanting to explore this option to the fullest before moving ahead w/ their current plans...

As for the "delaying patch" thing, I don't know about you, but I don't give a shit about how long it takes for patches to come out. I'm a quality > quantity kind of guy. I'd prefer 1 flawless patch every 6 months to an endless supply of poor content every month to 2 months. So, bring on the delay. More power to em, if it means making a better game.

I'd rather not have wyverns as a pet-classed Dragoon. Give that to us in the form of rideable mounts that are exclusive to dragoons instead.

I think this would be a more reasonable solution.

[Tyro]

I don't want a pet Wyvern, I want Dragoon-related abilities, like Freya had in FFIX, breath weapons and (hopefully) Dragonheart from FF Tactics, (instante Reraise!) and new ones they come up with. I want a strong Dragoon, like Kain.

Say no to pet!

[Khal_Drogo]

Soooooo...

Building Dragoon as a positional crit-master class /isn't/ actually a new and fresh take on the job...

But giving them a Wyvern and making them just like FFXI's /is/ trying something new?

That's an exciting analysis of the situation.

Hmmm, let's see:

Something that's been around since before I was born and found in numerous FF titles and other games/stories

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Something that's been around since 2002ish

Ya, you're right. There's nothing "new" about the pet for DRG idea, nothing at all.

[Teakwood]

Whoops, which FF was DRG a positional crit-master in? I must have missed that one.

P.S., I think now it's my turn to reference the Dragoon in Final Fantasy II that had an alliance with a wyvern.

But, no, you're totally right, there's nothing at all new about the idea of DRG as a pet job, it's a decade old, and it never really worked very well in the game it was in. Do I think they couldn't possibly ever make a Dragon-as-a-pet-job type thing work in FFXIV? Naw, and I actually like the idea of it as an eventual other available job for Lancer, even.

I'd just much rather see FFXIV's Dragoon be a departure from FFXI's Dragoon.

[Icecylee]

Hmmm, let's see:

Something that's been around since before I was born and found in numerous FF titles and other games/stories

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Something that's been around since 2002ish

Ya, you're right. There's nothing "new" about the pet for DRG idea, nothing at all.

Uh, when exactly has Dragoon ever been a crit master before in an FF game? I don't recall that at all. o_O

[SilvertearRen]

Hmmm, let's see:

Something that's been around since before I was born and found in numerous FF titles and other games/stories

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Something that's been around since 2002ish

Ya, you're right. There's nothing "new" about the pet for DRG idea, nothing at all.

The pet is not new to the Final Fantasy MMO genre. The original Dragoon concept found in other FF titles is new.

Try to use a little bit of context, good sir.

In the meantime, I'm gonna plug this here....



Actually, I've wondered if we'll ever get some kind of ability like Trance...it looks pretty badass.

[Tyro]

The pet is not new to the Final Fantasy MMO genre. The original Dragoon concept found in other FF titles is new.

Try to use a little bit of context, good sir.

In the meantime, I'm gonna plug this here....



Actually, I've wondered if we'll ever get some kind of ability like Trance...it looks pretty badass.

That's what i'm talking about!!! That's the Dragoon we deserve!

[Khal_Drogo]

Uh, when exactly has Dragoon ever been a crit master before in an FF game? I don't recall that at all. o_O

I didn't mean a "literal" crit-master. I just meant the idea of Dragoon, not having a pet, was nothing new. The terminology has been around since, like....the 18th century, and it had little to NOTHING to do w/ dragons. So, I'd say a decade old idea is hardly considered "OLD" by comparison.