Getting Kicked as a Tank from Dungeons for Power Pulls! No more for me!

[DPZ2]

I note the OP didn't exactly give the full lineup of DPS+Healer jobs as well as the instances involved where a kick was instigated.

Only time I wanted to lose our tank was in Dzamael Darkhold, where the tank decided to pull ALL of the hippogryph mobs with a monk and dragoon (me) as DPS. I'm sure the healer was having fits. After both DPS dying to the AoE's of the trash mobs, the tank 'rethought' large pulls in that instance.

[Adire]

I had the OP in a dungeon the other day. We were in the Aery, the healer had ilvl 90-ish gear mostly and he complained about it the whole run despite the healer keeping him alive. They argued a lot, we got to the last boss, then he demanded we either kick the healer, kick him, or sit there and wait for the dungeon to time out. The healer told him to just finish the run because they didn't want to hurt us (the dps), he (the OP) refused.

The healer really should've had better gear, but they were getting the job done. And when he decided to hold the group hostage we decided to just kick him. Luckily we got a replacement tank instantly and cleared the dungeon. OP, you should work on your attitude.

[Aeeninwen_Taldel]

I've never got kicked for pulling too little or too much. Generally, if I'm not pulling much it's because I don't know the dungeon. I have healers ask if I will pull more, if they feel I'm not pulling enough. If I'm pulling too much, then I know because I end up wiping, or losing aggro, and I adjust accordingly. The only time I've ever been kicked was when I D/C'd due to server errors and had a 4000+ queue wait, and I had the person I was running with tell the others to kick me. Unfortunately they had to abandon the queue cause there wasn't enough tanks that could do the dungeon being stuck behind the first instance.

[Pondera]

Given the state of roles in this game, they're probably going to be waiting for a tank longer than the half hour it will take for you to wait for the deserter debuff to pass and get into another dungeon with better people instantly. As for power pulls, never stop trying to improve and test your limits! Big pulls! All the way to Ala Mhigo!!!

[YitharV2]

I had the OP in a dungeon the other day. We were in the Aery, the healer had ilvl 90-ish gear mostly and he complained about it the whole run despite the healer keeping him alive. They argued a lot, we got to the last boss, then he demanded we either kick the healer, kick him, or sit there and wait for the dungeon to time out. The healer told him to just finish the run because they didn't want to hurt us (the dps), he (the OP) refused.

The healer really should've had better gear, but they were getting the job done. And when he decided to hold the group hostage we decided to just kick him. Luckily we got a replacement tank instantly and cleared the dungeon. OP, you should work on your attitude.

[Freyt]

So far haven't had a tank die in SB content with my healing, though I'm only a level 66 sch at the moment. I've had them do dangerous pulls and sometimes they're bad at avoiding the aoe's, but I really think healers can output more healing and for a longer period of time than they think they can.

Had a few of them pop their immortality a few times. Just because I knew they were going to live when they only had 6% HP doesn't mean they knew, I guess.

[missybee]

I had the OP in a dungeon the other day...OP, you should work on your attitude.

Haha...I figured something was off with OP's story considering the amount of kicks they were subject to.

Thank you for sharing your experience - it was enlightening.

[Adire]

So far haven't had a tank die in SB content with my healing, though I'm only a level 66 sch at the moment. I've had them do dangerous pulls and sometimes they're bad at avoiding the aoe's, but I really think healers can output more healing and for a longer period of time than they think they can.

Had a few of them pop their immortality a few times. Just because I knew they were going to live when they only had 6% HP doesn't mean they knew, I guess.

To be fair, you have to pop it at least a second or more ahead of reaching 0 HP or it'll eat the CD without actually making you immortal. At least Hallowed Ground is bad about doing that. So it's either use it way ahead of time or risk dying and losing the CD.

Haha...I figured something was off with OP's story considering the amount of kicks they were subject to.

Thank you for sharing your experience - it was enlightening.

Yeah. I can believe he gets kicked frequently if this is his usual behavior. Attempting to hold a group, including innocent people hostage because you disagree with one person is about the lowest thing you can do as a tank.

[Defiled]

Sounds as if you, and other tanks I've seen recently, have forgotten that healers have others to heal as well as the tank, I have seen tons of tanks recently rush in, power pull, and expect the healer and the dps to save their bacon....as a melee dps, most of these power pulls in SB dungeons comes with tons of AOE on the ground, which means your standing in it, or running out, which means no dps and its the healers that suffer trying to keep everybody up.
I for one have never been in such a hurry to complete a dungeon that power pulls are necessary, I mean, whats the point....tanks need not prove anything to me, just hold agro, keep mobs to a number where I can handle the AOE and the healers can heal us all.....everybody happy

[Kazrah]

The healer really should've had better gear, but they were getting the job done. And when he decided to hold the group hostage we decided to just kick him. Luckily we got a replacement tank instantly and cleared the dungeon. OP, you should work on your attitude.

Yeah, I've had tanks do that. They get a LOT more cooperative once you explain that what they're doing is a reportable violation and then start teaching the others in the group how to file a GM report against them.

As for me tanking, I always follow Rule 2: always tank as if the healer isn't paying attention. If the healer tells me to pull more, I'll pull more. If they can't handle it, I go back to pulling less. Easy as that.

If a DPS eggs me to pull more, well that falls in line with Rule 1: always expect DPS to be inherently stupid.