PvP AFK

[silverlunarfox]

Its funny how this became a huge problem when the XP was changed so that you need to win to get 100% of the xp and everyone else gets only 70% (which is equal to a win 3 levels ago). Before the change there would be the occasional afk or bot. Moment the xp gets nerfed? Suddenly scores of bots/afks infesting entire teams.

Its like, since they know they are bad they wont get a win and unless their team does really well and manages to hold it then there is no reason for them to try. Understandable considering how terrible win rates are for most people. Before the change when you got equal xp to everyone win or lose you just played to have fun and get xp.

I don't wonder if that is part of the case. I never saw bots/afkers prior to the xp nerf. now theres more than usual. I don't encounter full teams of them, but I know others are.

[Ayerinn]

I don't wonder if that is part of the case. I never saw bots/afkers prior to the xp nerf. now theres more than usual. I don't encounter full teams of them, but I know others are.

Well, many of us warned that this would be the case with the change - it would cause MORE afk/botting with the xp nerf...well, here we are as predicted.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Certainly I abandoned my beloved Adders and joined the Maelstrom, then turned off Freelancer, because I was done dealing with Flames and Adders shenanigans.

I did the same, except for me it was going back to Maelstrom. I had been Maelstrom for three years but switched to Flames because I wanted to Allied Seal glam gear.

Could not stand being on Flames as their third place loss rate was huge. Plus, even when I changed TO freelancer, I'd get stuck with them.

Switched back a few days ago, turned freelancer off and it's been much more enjoyable.

[YitharV2]

However, the main point was only to highlight how ridiculous it was that you were acting like there was some problem with the idea that people may be doing the content for the reward, rather than out of some deep seated love for PVP. This is an MMORPG and diverse content is a selling point, not a design flaw.

Yeah, I totally agree. A lot of MMO players do stuff for the rewards. That's just how it works. I don't think this is necessarily a problem. This raid in TERA I used to queue for everyday (Akerno's Inferno), most people were doing it for the loot. However, I did it for fun, but I don't think there's anything wrong with that. They get what they want. I get what I want.

Well, many of us warned that this would be the case with the change - it would cause MORE afk/botting with the xp nerf...well, here we are as predicted.

Yeah, they should've just buffed the XP for winning. When will the community learn that nerfing things is not the answer?

[Alberel]

Remove EXP all together from PvP and watch em drop out or lower the EXP so much that it is no longer worth using as a leveling method.

That would just kill PvP entirely again. Once the Garo event is over that exp will be the only incentive for most people to even bother. I'd rather have a few frustrating matches full of bots and AFKs than no matches at all.

[Mandudez]

I have at most seen one person afk in pvp at a time you people all need to calm down. We already know the game can detect when you are afk so why not just make pvp auto kick you for being afk for a certain period of time instead of killing it by removing the reason the vast majority of people bother?

It does auto kick after 2 minutes of NO activity at all. The problem is people know this so they are simply doing one action every minute so they don't get auto kicked. That is what most people mean when they say people are afk'ing. Players will sit in the same area (typically around the base) and not even attack a small ice that spawns 2 steps away.

[Ayerinn]

That would just kill PvP entirely again. Once the Garo event is over that exp will be the only incentive for most people to even bother. I'd rather have a few frustrating matches full of bots and AFKs than no matches at all.

not completely...PoTD didn't exist at this point in HW but my GF and I got 90% of our timegated tomes (for SB, Tomes of Creation coming on Tuesday with Savage Omega) through Frontlines spam

[Shut]

That would just kill PvP entirely again. Once the Garo event is over that exp will be the only incentive for most people to even bother. I'd rather have a few frustrating matches full of bots and AFKs than no matches at all.

I'd rather have less matches with less bots and afkers than this. There are people that actually like pvp and that don't like seeing other just leeching for exp by botting because "lol pvp" you know?

Its funny how this became a huge problem when the XP was changed so that you need to win to get 100% of the xp and everyone else gets only 70% (which is equal to a win 3 levels ago). Before the change there would be the occasional afk or bot. Moment the xp gets nerfed? Suddenly scores of bots/afks infesting entire teams.

It was going to happen sooner or later the moment we had a broken rewarding system, that what happened with feast ranked when people just came in to farm tome and wolf marks. Cheaters also came for ranked rewards because they knew they could exploit the system without going to be punished.

When people started to ask for actions to be taken, lots actually changed their mine from a xp removal to something based on actual participation, SE should have consider this option first before doing their nerf.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

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I'm gonna ask you to stop putting words in my mouth long enough to actually listen to what I'm saying.

You've been going to plenty of extremes to prove hollow points here, and I've refuted much of that with actual facts from experience. You say "I'm only PvPing right now for XP". Okay, but did you before that? Would you still if they remove it? The point I've repeatedly made is that plenty of people did before XP was ever tabled as a reward, and those same people likely will after. And not just for the other rewards either.

Let me clarify that I'm not wholly against having it. It IS a nice option. But it IS being exploited, largely by people who just don't care otherwise. Yes, people play for rewards in MMOs, that's hardly a point to contest. But don't try to paint a picture like people will ONLY PvP for rewards, especially when I've clearly shown and proved that rewards have been quite far and few for PvPers in this game, but we played anyways. Several different examples you tried to use were shot down, and the fact is you attempted to speak where you simply don't know, and got corrected. And this is about my silliness? Right.

If you're trying to win, good. You're not part of the problem. I've got no issue with people who will actively participate in PvP even if just for the reward, and don't try to paint me like I'm some "purist" who only wants people that absolutely love PvP. You can cut that out right here and now. When the scale becomes so unbalanced that the majority of a team simply won't participate to the point that SE has to go trying to lessen the reward, then as someone who was doing it before the reward was even there, I'm totally fine seeing it go. I'll still play and enjoy it. If someone else new discovered they really like it, maybe they'll still play and enjoy it. PvP in this game offered FAR less than it does now, and people still played and enjoyed it. So the idea that removing XP rewards from it will kill it - when it wasn't even there til now - won't kill it for anyone but "I'm only PvPing right now for XP types."

And I'll be cold enough to say they wouldn't be missed.

[Nixxe]

I'm gonna ask you to stop putting words in my mouth long enough to actually listen to what I'm saying.

You've been going to plenty of extremes to prove hollow points here, and I've refuted much of that with actual facts from experience. You say "I'm only PvPing right now for XP". Okay, but did you before that? Would you still if they remove it? The point I've repeatedly made is that plenty of people did before XP was ever tabled as a reward, and those same people likely will after. And not just for the other rewards either.

Let me clarify that I'm not wholly against having it. It IS a nice option. But it IS being exploited, largely by people who just don't care otherwise. Yes, people play for rewards in MMOs, that's hardly a point to contest. But don't try to paint a picture like people will ONLY PvP for rewards, especially when I've clearly shown and proved that rewards have been quite far and few for PvPers in this game, but we played anyways. Several different examples you tried to use were shot down, and the fact is you attempted to speak where you simply don't know, and got corrected. And this is about my silliness? Right.

If you're trying to win, good. You're not part of the problem. I've got no issue with people who will actively participate in PvP even if just for the reward, and don't try to paint me like I'm some "purist" who only wants people that absolutely love PvP. You can cut that out right here and now. When the scale becomes so unbalanced that the majority of a team simply won't participate to the point that SE has to go trying to lessen the reward, then as someone who was doing it before the reward was even there, I'm totally fine seeing it go. I'll still play and enjoy it. If someone else new discovered they really like it, maybe they'll still play and enjoy it. PvP in this game offered FAR less than it does now, and people still played and enjoyed it. So the idea that removing XP rewards from it will kill it - when it wasn't even there til now - won't kill it for anyone but "I'm only PvPing right now for XP types."

And I'll be cold enough to say they wouldn't be missed.

Again, I haven't gone to any extremes. You were lamenting the inclusion of rewards and the people who PVP'd only for rewards, seemingly even equating those people with the leeches, rather than recognizing the leeches as only a small subset. I told you what would be necessary to get rid of those people. That's it. I don't think PVP should have all of its rewards removed or even any of its rewards removed. I think the people who are the problem should be punished, rather than the people who are after the rewards and actually trying, which is completely in line with how everything else in this game works. I mean, you can say I'm putting words in your mouth, but you're pretty much doubling down on your hostile feelings towards such players even in this very post. Similarly, I never suggested all people only play for rewards. I was saying that if you took away literally all rewards from PVP, you'd probably be left with a population that's too small to sustain the content.

As for me, I PVP'd rarely before for Garo gear, largely because it's supposedly a limited time thing that will go away eventually and some of the glamours are nice enough I may want them later. I have a passing interest in the airship mount from Wolves' Den and may continue working on that after I finish the Garo mount from there simply because I'll be about 15% of the way done and matches are quick, so it's honestly something I could grind out in a weekend if I really wanted to. But other than that, I'd be done and frankly, that stuff has been around for a while and didn't really motivate me to start, so I may very well just continue going without those rewards. XP is the long term reward that will keep me participating for at least a few months and again next expansion. It is the primary motivation for prioritizing that content. Everything else has very limited pull and was never enough to get me to PVP until I was extremely bored and had nothing better to do.

I have yet to see the majority of my team not participate. What I've seen, and what I saw even before XP was added, was the majority of my team participating so poorly that they may as well have not been there.