Total Eclipse after all the fuss about pali aoe never see anyone use it why?

[Furious]

If you have a whm, holy stuns. A good whm will have regen ticking on you while they're holying, plus they'll have a tetra and a bene waiting for when you do get low. There's no reason for you to leave dps on the table. Ast is a bit different for sure since gravity doesn't stun, but the same concept applies-good players won't leave dps on the table.

Nobody ever said they did. I said in my original post; total eclipse is the last resort, because it's poopy. It doesn't mean I don't use it when it is the last resort. If you can pull more mobs and live with clemency, then do it. If you need healing and can heal yourself while the healer casts another aoe, then do it. If neither of the above apply, cast total eclipse.

Clemency is more enmity than anything other than flash in an aoe sitaution and it applies to all mobs you are engaged with. It heals for a comparatively large amount compared with healer efficient on-gcd heals, its effect is not reduced by tank stance but it's enmity is. Aim for situations where it is efficient to use it as an aoe tool (by making yourself a proxy for your healer to do more damage). If anyone else is also taking damage it also becomes 50% more efficient still.

Clemency is a tool we have that people underutilize FAR more than total eclipse. For some reason, everyone's ok with telling healers to dps when it's efficient to do so, but when you say tanks should heal when it's efficient people raise eyebrows. My guess is that it's harder to elucidate the rationale behind it than by just looking at the meters like you can when healers dps.