Party Finder: MCH not allowed

[Id_Slayer]

Come on Yoshi P and Devs! Please, if you are going to PURPOSELY with INTENT make a job the last DPS and then claim 'utility' then please share the entire meta game thought process and how you see MCH fitting into the puzzle of end-game compositions so we, as players, can understand why you have purposely made us incapable of being very useful to the point that even players who do not understand the job or play the job refuse us. Why do you even waste time with the job if you purposely make it bad and not explain when you can clearly tell the player base has always struggled even since heavensward to understand your vision on how the job is useful and fits into the gameplay/meta.

[Greedalox]

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May I see receipts for where Yoshi P said he intentionally wanted MCH to be behind BRD in utility and damage? Because I feel like you're putting words in his mouth. He may have wanted BRD/MCH to be the bottom DPS but I think a lot of the "purposefully making a job bad" is kind of maybe a bit of you projecting your thoughts onto a man who never said anything of the sort lol.

[Heimdalgc]

this is just sad

[Eir_Z]

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Overdrive just needs to be worth using. It's a strong attack, but it's only on par with a slug or clean shot and then you lose 2400 potency over the following 30 seconds which makes it a huge dps loss. So, really it needs to deal at least a 500 potency shot (probably closer to 750) and reduce its repair timer to 10-15s.

Oddly, the first impression I got from reading the ability text was that it charged up and released a massive hit. I was rather disappointed that it's basically a clean shot on an ogcd.

[Tracewood]

Yeah, people like that are usually pretty stupid. Yeah, the class has problems, but so many people act like they can't perform at all.

It was like that back in HW as well. People didn't want MCHs for Bismarck Ex, yet I cleared it. I cleared Alex first day and was even top dps in a couple of fights, proving to a FC mate of mine that MCH weren't useless.

But, it probably will stay like that. MMO communities are pretty much the most unfriendly and toxic gaming communities out there. And that includes CoD.

It's the MMO hivemind, hard to break unless someone goes above and beyond to prove them wrong, and even then skeptics will scream back. This is why I cringe when math nerds release their "opinions" on a spreadsheet making the community run wild with "Okay, so XXX job does the least amount of overall DPS on a single target so therefore NO XXX job in raid!" and everyone just runs with it.

Plus you're dealing with kids and young adults who game and still carry that high school clique mentality, don't forget that.

[Elnidfse]

he's very clearly not talking about clearing A1-4 savage. That raid in particular was a whole different can of worms. And people justifiably took every edge they could get.

[KalinOrthos]

Plus you're dealing with kids and young adults who game and still carry that high school clique mentality, don't forget that.

...

"Didja hear? Kalin decided to go MCH!"
"O. M. G, are you serious? I invited her to my birthday party. Ugh, I can't have a DerPS at my party. She's SOOOOO not invited anymore."
"I can't wait to post this on my Linkshell. They're gonna laugh SO hard."

It's been a while, but I imagine FF14 High would be like this.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

This is why I cringe when math nerds release their "opinions" on a spreadsheet making the community run wild with "Okay, so XXX job does the least amount of overall DPS on a single target so therefore NO XXX job in raid!" and everyone just runs with it.

Summed up my thoughts on it perfectly here.

[ClusterDreams]

But have they seen MCH LB3 tho?

[Galvuu]

It's the MMO hivemind, hard to break unless someone goes above and beyond to prove them wrong, and even then skeptics will scream back. This is why I cringe when math nerds release their "opinions" on a spreadsheet making the community run wild with "Okay, so XXX job does the least amount of overall DPS on a single target so therefore NO XXX job in raid!" and everyone just runs with it.

Plus you're dealing with kids and young adults who game and still carry that high school clique mentality, don't forget that.

I divulge information that I believe to be of value/interest to the players wishing to perform at the highest level, and also curiosities about the inner working of the jobs that I love and dedicate thousands of hours into understanding.
I believe it's the same for the other "nerds" that also are enthusiastic about their research.

Many people do actually boorish, time-consuming and sometimes difficult tasks (collecting and analyzing data, create simulators and other tools, fitting mathematical models, raw number crunching) to optimize and understand this game that they love.
And, selflessly, they share it with all of us. And I've nothing but gratitude that someone wasted many hours so I can optimize my dps to help me clear content, or perform to the best of my ability.

I think it's extremely sad that a group of people who does not fully understand (or make an effort to understand, for the matter) what these numbers mean misuse them in such a way. In a way that's ultimately a method to try and make up for their ineptitude and laziness. Instead of understanding this content can be cleared quite efficiently with any job, they do things like this. It's double worse, because a lot of the math/research targets very high tiers of performance- which these players very likely do not belong to.

But let me say that what you're saying here... pinning this on people that divulge mostly factual research, based on a wealth of data and statistical verification, people who spent hours doing these (frankly) awesome things, is a bit heartbreaking.

Imagine if next time someone figures out an optimal rotation, or a table of stat weights, or a better way to play a job, or an optimal comp for some content, or anything at all, instead of sharing it, they decide not to.
To keep it for themselves. Because someone, somewhere, who doesn't understand what they're really talking about, misuses that knowledge to do shameful displays like these.
Imagine that if someone crunches some numbers and does some testing, and finds something clunky or unrewarding about their job, also says nothing, and SE never rectifies the issue. Imagine a FF14 where WAR is still in its 2.0 state, or AST/MCH in the 3.0 state.
Then we'd all be in the dark.

It's a passionate reply, but that's because I have a lot of respect and gratitude for people who gave tools and knowledge which helped me in this game and took almost nothing in return for them.
Don't pin this on people who do research for this very complex game.