Party Finder: MCH not allowed

[Talec]

Quite sad how this thread starts to get absued by every other class, that thinks XY is currently too powerfull.


Ist common sense that in the current meta MCH has a Problem and needs a serious retuning. It is that bad, that I can even realy imagine that MCH gets sorted out of endgame Content. This needs to be adressed.

On the other Hand, reading stuff about how SMN and BLM crying that no group accepts them anymore, even go so far as claiming all Groups only want 2 RDM (the Limit Gauge-Penalty is waving at you) makes fun of the current MCH-Problem. Same Thing with DRG and MNKs who Claim like everybody is avoiding them in favour of allmighty SAM.

[Galvuu]

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So if a SMN is rightfully unhappy with how their job performs due to the punishing nature and the fact its damage is almost as bad as MCH's and voices those concerns, they're "making fun of MCH"?
So if a SMN starts having trouble joining a party on the pf because of a perceived weakness in the class, they're belittling the MCH's concerns?
I'm sorry, but what you just said is utter rubbish.
If there's something bothering you about your job- something that has a substantial amount of data backing it up, too- voice it.
The fact MCH also have it bad (or maybe have it worse) does not change the fact that other jobs also have issues.
This isn't a contest to see who's the poorest of all, and a job's problems/issues do not mean you cannot look at whatever's wrong with the next.
A SMN has every bit as much right to feel dissatisfied about this situation as a MCH, without each taking anything out of the other's concerns.

[KalinOrthos]

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The problem that casters are having is that RDM right now does too much. It has damage rivaling that of a black mage with few of the drawbacks (RDM is very mobile, BLM falls apart anytime they have to move, etc.) while offering more utility than either of the other two casters with Vercure/Verraise and Embolden. If you were a cutting edge raider, you'd be crazy not to have a RDM in your party; however, not every player is cutting edge but quite a few take the ways that the absolute top echelon of players play, which we come to know as the meta in this game, and treat it like scripture, removing MCH and SMN and DRG in the most common cases, and MNK and BLM in the absolute worst cases. Buffing these classes and bringing down the top classes in the game would serve to alleviate some of the issue, but the biggest problem most of us have is that a lot of these players, again, treat the meta like scripture.

[Neela]

Quite sad how this thread...

Galvuu already answered in perfection to your mindset. I just wanna add that even MCH is weak there is no content which can't be cleared by this cls - SBs difficult level is a joke for itself. the problem is not that they can't beat stuff - the problem is that people lock the weaker cls out to save time. and thats not just MCH in this case. so please get the point before you even try to argue with people. And whats that limit gauge penalty argument for? the discussion is about primal farm grps - noone cares dbl cls in this manner, its not savage... calm down and try again.

[Velhart]

That is pretty dumb. There is currently no content in this game yet that requires such a harsh DPS check that you start to become picky about what job you bring in. I have not come across one PF yet that has left MCH out. Not to mention it is irrelevant since most people cannot even take full potential of their jobs anyways. Let dumb people be dumb.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

The only good thing that will come from this is SE will see the active exclusion and hopefully fix and improve the job. With the way content works in this game, I could sit out this whole raid tier and miss nothing.

To anyone that truly enjoys playing MCH, though it might be disappointing, ride this out. We'll be better for it.

[EdwinLi]

The only good thing that will come from this is SE will see the active exclusion and hopefully fix and improve the job. With the way content works in this game, I could sit out this whole raid tier and miss nothing.

To anyone that truly enjoys playing MCH, though it might be disappointing, ride this out. We'll be better for it.

I think by this point MCH is forever stuck with bad design choices that will kick them to the bottom of the Barrel. It has been MCH issues that it seems SE just can't figure out how to properly balance MCH since its first release in 3.0

MCH will need a serious revamp if this keeps up or maybe now needs it. Unless SE is intensionally making MCH bad so players would stop playing it.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

I think by this point MCH is forever stuck with bad design choices that will kick them to the bottom of the Barrel. It has been MCH issues that it seems SE just can't figure out how to properly balance MCH since its first release in 3.0

MCH will need a serious revamp if this keeps up or maybe now needs it. Unless SE is intensionally making MCH bad so players would stop playing it.

If that were the case, they could've left SMN the way it was in 2.x, and PLD, MCH, and AST the way they were Gordias.

[Neela]

Sure they can it just shows how sad the overall community got nowadays... it's like in rl: character is how you treat people who actually cant do something for you in return.

[The_NPC]

MCH is my ranged DPS class (& 2nd to lv70 using MSQ & Fates only... PLD was 1st as its my main since I started & dungeon grinding with it is easy) MCH will always be my ranged DPS class, unless they add a duo-guns class thats as fun. That said MNK was my 3.0 Melee DPS for lol's, cause of elixer field no joke whole reason, but reading its new "Riddle" skills turned me off it... I will keep its lv60 ilv260ish gear thou as my SAM will need it soon enouf (to much sword-based anime watched lately... also Kenshin, gods damn that badass fool)