Seeing Red - A Complete Red Mage Guide

[Pyroclastic]

Enchanted melee attacks are unaspected magic damage.

Aaaah, okay, thanks for this.

[Karnage720]

Enchanted melee attacks are unaspected magic damage.

So why not use embolden prior to Enchanted Riposte?

[Pidooma]

So why not use embolden prior to Enchanted Riposte?

This is because of the way Embolden has stacks. If you embolden at Enchanted Riposte then by the time you get to your VerFinisher you will have already lost a stack thus reducing the damage of your hardest hitting spell.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

So why not use embolden prior to Enchanted Riposte?

If I had to guess, to make sure Verflare/Verholy got the maximum benefit for Embolden as it's 550 potency instead of Ripostes 210, although if we do the math emboldening to hit the Riposte and the finisher equals out to 65 extra potency between the two attacks as opposed to 55 from the enhanced verflare/holy

[Rongway]

The maths are a little bit wonky because of the decay and how every other spell is instant. I'm having to go into the spreadsheet and manually promote or demote some of the bonuses based on the interplay between the decay and the Dualcast mechanic.

It gets even wonkier when we get into spellspeed-modified recast times, and some of the decays move into the middle of hardcast spells instead of just after instant spells.


Enchanted Riposte → Embolden will be between 5 and 11 potency higher than Embolden → Enchanted Riposte, depending on how late in the GCD you activate it.


(the 0.5 or 0.1 times for Embolden represent activating it earlier or later in the GCD)

[Draxxion]

Enchanted Riposte is your weakest single target attack after Jolt upgrades to II. Would you rather have

+10% of your weakest attack and +8% of a Verfinisher,
or
+10% of a Verfinisher and +2% of an extra Verslowspell at the end of the duration?

It sounds funny, but before Enchanted Riposte is prolly a better choice, but not by much.


BRB, spreadsheeting to decide which is really better.

Napkin math it is a difference of 16 potency in favor of enbolden before enchanted riposte. 66 vs 50 to be exact.

Edit: Had to wait till I got home to edit this. If you still take into account an extra ability at 2% that is any where from an additonal 4 to 8.4 potency give or take to using it after enchanted riposte. That means you still have 7.6 to 12 potency more doing it before.

[Dualgunner]

Napkin math it is a difference of 16 potency in favor of enbolden before enchanted reposte. 66 vs 50 to be exact.

I tend to pop embolden pre-verfinisher anyway, as combined with manafy I can fit two verfinishers under one embolden.

[Rongway]

Previous post updated with spreadsheet.

The difference is small, so do whichever one will line you up with the rest of the party better.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

Just a small correction, the recast for redoublement is 2.2 seconds not 1.5

[AlexaEllende]

I'm kinda new to RDM, and I'm sorry if it was mentioned anywhere, but what's the general preference for corps-a-corps and displacement? I see a lot of corps first, melee then displace, but also displace then corps into melee, is there a huge difference?