Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[deos]

The reason why is in the name. They took 4 of our abilities, changed the name and icon colours of two of them, and then put the 4 of them into the Job Action menu for the other healers to use.

you know what is the best part? out of the 10 healer role skills, WHM could use 9 before SB.
cleric stance, break (stone I), protect, esuna, lucid dreaming (shroud of saints), and largesse (divine seal) have all been part of our native toolkit, and we got swiftcast, eye for an eye, and surecast from the cross-class system (as well as virus and Ice II)
now after SB, we only can take 5 of them, in addition to completely loosing stoneskin
and the only new thing we get from the role skills, rescue, is super situational at best on top of not even having enough role skill slots to ever take it

seriously, WHY?!?!?!?

my thoughts of what needs to be done:
1) every healer gets esuna as native skill.
2) WHM gets its original divine seal back. largesse can stay in the role skill system for the other healer, just make them share their cd (yes this would make largesse useless for WHM, but if we have the old devine seal back it does not matter)
3) add something actually useful on the now free 10th role slot where esuna was. an aoe 5% dmg reduce on 2 min cd or something like that would be great, or how about something like the new BRD pvp skill "battlefield march" to restore 25% MP and TP to the party (should not affect self) on a longer cd

[Snat]

While this has been said by quite a few people but Plenary Indulgence needs to change. For our big level 70 skill ... its meh.

I would change it in two ways (SE would balance it how they want). The first is the confession stacks proc via Regen and Medica II rather than Cure. This would at least mean you can use it for AoE healing more.

The second part I would do is add a skill which I am going to call Dia for now. This skill could do damage on a single target mob based on the total amount of confession stacks that is on the party and remove them once casted.

Lilies I admit ain't that bad beyond Divine Bension using them all up.

[Aphro]

Agreed Lillies are poorly implemented - but can at least still be used if at all just for the shield. Plenary Indulgence is a joke. Its like saying, we don't know what to give the WHM so lets give a skill that will pretty much be useless. Its a lvl 70 skill for gods sake.

Whm is still real good without both of these but doesn't excuse this nonsense.

[ErryK]

Lillies may be pretty good, whatever they are. But lilies aren't that great.

Lilies are really good as they are. Divine Benison just needs to take one from the set of Lilies instead of all of them, and Plenary needs an increase to its percentage.

[Reiryuu]

Lilies are really good as they are. Divine Benison just needs to take one from the set of Lilies instead of all of them, and Plenary needs an increase to its percentage.

You're welcome to your opinion of them, I have mine. But if you like them so much, why aren't you maining WHM, if I may be so bold as to ask?

[Celef]

Lilies are really good as they are.

Yep, see them as decorative on my screen and they indeed are pretty nice looking

[Rivxkobe]

Lilies are really good as they are. Divine Benison just needs to take one from the set of Lilies instead of all of them, and Plenary needs an increase to its percentage.

Are you going to elaborate or...?

Anyway they are decent at best. They offer nothing in how a WHM is played, cool down reduction is next to useless on a WHM since you use your CDs when they are needed not when they are ready (except Assize, but its CD was already reduced for the expansion). Plenary needs to be completely reworked, as it is now it will never be balanced.

[deos]

i stopped caring for lillies long ago. if i get some, good, if not, who cares. devine benison is the only problem here, but to be honest i rarely use it in dungeons anyway.

the whole lily system needs a massive rework to be worth more than just beeing there and looking good. the slight CD reduction is just not worth caring.

and for Plenary... well if they increase the chances to something like 50% (cure 1 and 2) and 100% (cure 3) then it could be great. any percentage less than that keeps it in the "nice to have once in a blue moon but whatever" department

[Tridus]

Lilies are really good as they are. Divine Benison just needs to take one from the set of Lilies instead of all of them, and Plenary needs an increase to its percentage.

But I'm still not hitting DPS with Cure very often, so more percentage doesn't change the problem (along with it still being in the buff bar, against Stormblood's job rework design goal). Conceptually, PI doesn't work as is. Confessions should stack on the WHM instead, and you burn them when you cast PI to heal people with however many you have available.

[Pomelo]

Is it an OP thought to ask Cure 3 to generate a confession stack on EVERYONE it hits??

I mean it then turns Plenary into a pretty nice OCGD AOE heal too....