Gods and Jobs

[Inaaca]

What makes me think the NPCs purpose has changed: The calamity wasn't going to be part of the game since the maps were never going to be developed. The whole story with Cid, Dalamud, the story with the Empire knowing about it... all new. It was even in development over the summer when one of the lore devs broke into the Localization office and told them to name the swimsuits Solar and Lunar instead of Gold and Silver because it would relate more to the coming calamity; implying that this was one of the few things that haven't been set in stone from the start.

Okay, granted they may have been repurposed for future events, but it's worth noting that the existing lore and dialogue for them has not been rewritten to do this. Existing lore has been kept intact.

I don't deny for a second that a GREAT story could be told for THMs going WHM and CNJs going BLM - I mean... really good. The THMs re-establishing connections with the Nald sect in light of the calamity and rebuilding the Life and Death tradition, giving you the opportunity to spread your wings as a first generation White Mage, the CNJs taking the reins of elemental power after the decimation of the continent and probable weakening of the elemental society... going absolutely darkside on the Empire and Beast Tribes for their hand in the events... it all sounds a LOT better than the other way around.

It's not that I don't think it's a good idea, I just don't see it coming. I do hope Yoshida pulls something out of his hat, but at this point it just wouldn't make a whole bunch of sense to me at all.

Heh, well that's interesting. I didn't expect that you would be in support of the lore/story elements I was suggesting. It seems that we disagree for pretty much the same reasons, then.

In that case, I don't think there's much to say other than to agree to disagree, see what comes over the horizon, and hope Yoshida does what's best. :`

[Lakefingers]

I think THM will be WHM but it will not be WHM as we have seen before, I am hoping THM will retain it's dynamism and people who want a boring nuke bot will go with Conjury.

[grandm]

seems to me that both mouse and inaaca, give the best argument for both their respective view, and if you are going to agree to disagree, it would be a great time for this thread to die.
i think we can all agree a lala-fell is going to make a wicked looking blackmage. (go vivi :P)

[Anonymoose]

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That is all.
Chalking this one up as another point for the "Why is everyone yelling at me for a logical argument?" column.

[Wynn]

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That is all.
Chalking this one up as another point for the "Why is everyone yelling at me for a logical argument?" column.

I think you take this way too seriously

[AdvancedWind]

What makes me think the NPCs purpose has changed: The calamity wasn't going to be part of the game since the maps were never going to be developed. The whole story with Cid, Dalamud, the story with the Empire knowing about it... all new. It was even in development over the summer when one of the lore devs broke into the Localization office and told them to name the swimsuits Solar and Lunar instead of Gold and Silver because it would relate more to the coming calamity; implying that this was one of the few things that haven't been set in stone from the start.

You are most likely correct the calamity wasn't exactly planned for the time being, however the entire Seventh Umbral Era plot does not contradict anything from the original lore. Terms like "Sixth Astral Era" are around since Tanaka's time. I do believe that even the Dalamud / Meteor / Seventh Umbral Era plot was planned since the start, however they would have a much less signficant impact on the greater scheme of things.

Only thing they actually changed was making Yda, Papalymo, Thancred and Y'shtola all part of the same group. Maybe not even that.

[Lebannen]

Thau is black and conjurer is white. we have known this since the first live letter, only people who dont pay attention was surprised with the live letter part 2.

[Wynn]

Only thing they actually changed was making Yda, Papalymo, Thancred and Y'shtola all part of the same group. Maybe not even that.

Naw. They've always been the same group. You could tell because they all have the same tattoo. Also, I believe there are a couple times that one will make mention of the others in the quests.

[Anonymoose]

Only thing they actually changed was making Yda, Papalymo, Thancred and Y'shtola all part of the same group. Maybe not even that.

It depends on where most of them came from. I know Y'shtola is from Shama...sma...Sharlayan...M. Night Shyamallamalan (?) -- They did seem to be in contact pre-calamity, but based on the final mission cutscene I think their purpose was to resist the Empire with us, not stop a falling moon that the Empire knew was coming. I honestly think the whole calamity thing was thought up for the map redesign and tied so well into the existing lore that it actually looks like it was planned.

I think you take this way too seriously

I approach most stuff pretty "Meh" about it, at first - just a little base speculation. But after people actually start going beyond speculation and start being outright mean about it, I tend to take a proportionate amount of satisfaction away from it if I turn out to be right. Old human survival instincts die hard, even when erroneously applied to irrelevant modern bullsh!t.

[Bluebun]

I'm with Anonymoose. Back when they introduced curaga and the the raises, I pointed to the obvious fact that they were gearing CONs to be WHMs. I wasn't mean about it, but I was direct. As a result many of the CONs came out and and started long rants about how its only "THMs" making this connection, and then they started to get ugly and made bold claims on how they understood FF "lore" more than anyone else. So many people got satisfaction from the few loud voices that were full of themselves being wrong.