Standings of Black Mage, Red Mage, and Summoner

[Genoreaper]

you can't Heal people with your own Aether, less you essentially just take their wounds upon yourself, Conjurers/White Mages with the Elementals and world's ambient aether, Scholars with Fairies, and Astro with the Stars.

Then you look at Red Mage, and Lore wise, their whole concept is that they only use their personal Aether reserves, which means to Cure people would essentially require them to blood magic themselves to death..


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We could get a cauterize for healing and/or status effects

A shock to revive players like jumpstart the heart

Or use water magic to heal

[prophecy4seen]

I believe that spellspeed will eventually smoothen out the stance management, people keep going on about. But honestly, asking for extended duration etc.. is simply making the class 2 easy. Its the short period that separates the good blm's from the normal ones.

Sometimes you may have to cast 5 fire 4's instead of 6.. but so what? thats no different from a monk wanting to hit a flank and not being able to because either the boss moved or a mechanic is blocking him.

People are crying over the optimal rotation.. but if you could do the optimal rotation from beginning to end, you may aswel just stick with a training dummy. What is optimal is learning the fight/encounter and positioning yourself in a way that allows you to get off 6 f4's as much as possible.. Proper use of procs, manaward. knowing what spells it is okay to eat because they wont kill you and knowing if taking damage at that particular point will interrupt your cast or not.

[prophecy4seen]

I can only really speak from a semi hc raider's pov.. I will do a fight and clear it.. then i will look for situations that i could do things better... then i will look on youtube and watch how other people handled the same situation, adapt and improve. This is what is called optimizing and basically being good at the class.. Asking for AF extension etc is simply saying, Dear SE, i know its your game, but please make my class play the way i want it to play.

Yoshi P has already answered these kind of requests ages back.. he said "get good"

As For the part i agree with, potency increases on fire 4 would go a long way. additionally a ogcd Nuke spell on a 2min cd called "Ultima" would be great :P
(sorry double post)

[OcieKo]

In fact....Drain should be a BLM exclusive, with a bold potency enhancement, neither other caster needs it for a self heal. Pretty sure SMN Energy Drain is a better ability, could be wrong though

If were talking just for the heal Vercure > Drain > Energy Drain. Unless a Summoner needs the MP as well, using Energy Drain is worse than using Drain and Fester, Energy Drain's Aetherflow stack cost essentially brings it below Drain.

[Charlayy]

I thought
Physick was dumb bc BLM never had a heal. But if drain was a hell of alot better, it should be made BLM eclusive, as that fits perfectly with the job imo. And isnt energy drain on smn better anyway? Totally shouldve been a BLM exclusive for self healing as all dps now have some form of it

In XI blm could rez (Raise 1) and heal only up to cure 3 and did have drain and aspir.

[ADVSS]

If were talking just for the heal Vercure > Drain > Energy Drain. Unless a Summoner needs the MP as well, using Energy Drain is worse than using Drain and Fester, Energy Drain's Aetherflow stack cost essentially brings it below Drain.

ahhh I saw potency 50 and went
hell no" but i havent played new blm or smn yet, was a smn main in 3.0 not sure im ok with the changes

[Charlayy]

Blm could still raise in XI

[Cherub]

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A Monk not hitting a flank and a BLM not being able to cast 6 Fire IV's are different things.
This becomes much more apparent during a striking dummy test. On a striking dummy the monk will be able to hit -ALL- positional, it will be able to perform a constantly optimal rotation.
BLM simply won't. And not because you used a proc. You could leave out procs from start to finish and your BnB Rotation would still end up with 5x Fire IV rather than 6x Fire IV simply because it's literally up to chance. Losing casts to mechanics isn't what people complain about. Losing casts because of a core mechanic within the Job, that's why.
And to further prove my point, it is much better to apparently skip Blizzard IV entirely within your rotation as it will result in a bigger DPS gain. Heck even fire spam is apparently viable now.
You know something must be wrong if the job is only going to be played in ways it was definitely not meant to be played.

The timers are not the problem for 5 Fire IV's. Your MP is, literally luck is a factor when it shouldn't be.
The reason why people want a slightly longer AF/UI is one seperately because even if they can turret for eternities to come, executing the rotation we were meant to be, still is tight to do.
But that doesn't matter now anyway does it. Just do your 3.XX rotation and don't use B4 outside of your opener. Play the job your way but not as it was envisioned by SE and gg, you do better DPS than before.

Edit: Just found this thread http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ers-on-4.0-BLM
Sums it up MUCH better than I did in my previous posts.

[Core1019]

I think there's much ado about nothing as is, but if we wanted to deal with some inequities...

Give Black Mages a Temporary Raise ability. 1 minute duration, 5 minute cooldown, ignores Ressurection sickness. Brings back a downed Ally at full power, kills them when it's over. It's a 'Raid save' res, it's not spammable, it's not MP based, it's flavorful for the Job and base class. It won't be as reliable as a hard Res, but if you need someone at full power, this is the spell for it.

I really, really like this idea. It's a nice twist to the usual res spells. And since I'm not a lorefag I couldn't give a rat's ass if it fits thematically or not tbh. Although if you want to bring up mage themes, summoner seems to have been having an identity crisis since it was concieved as both a dot class and pet class.

[ADVSS]

Blm could still raise in XI

was this due to putting whm as their secondary, or naturally given to them? Sounds really off from the BLM
job in gerneral. I think some unique utility and an up to par self healing is required, as long as it deals higher damage output than sayRDM with bigger utility is fine. I like that ley lines could affect group spell speed, for instance or anything that could aid damage group wide or single damage, but Im noy so sure that they should make raise a caster dps thing. Id rather see something unique and just as useful from BLM

as far as vercure and verraise go, i think SE went over and above to give RDM that feel, and I think it should be kept unique to the job, since it is part of the jobs identity anyway. I dont really like homogeny when it comes to roles, except when it covers the bases. I dont think every DPs should have a verraise or vercure, but I feel like the balance should definitely be based on contribution and utility. BLM should be stomping RDM similarly to SAM is doing to every other DPS, if they arent going to have utility or mobility to make up for it. No need to nerf RDM just buff BLM to be better at that area