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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvianEverdeen View Post
    Yes, there are one star recipes that were automatically added if you had unlocked the books already. They're scattered about. CUL ones show up after the level 70 recipes for example.
    ah oki...did'nt notice
    going to see immed so

    maybe someone can set-up a macro only for specialist?
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    Last edited by Lialiin; 07-07-2017 at 04:23 PM.

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    I just pushed an update and I am now fairly confident in the progress and quality values of new crafts for within a few points (including Ingen1/2 and recipes above and below your level).
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  3. #33
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    Here is a specialist no food rotation for 100% 1 Star. Needs most CP melds (17 leftover with max CP), and like 70 Control melded (you will be like 1k quality short with no control melds).
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    Last edited by Ermad; 07-08-2017 at 07:01 AM.

  4. #34
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    Ermad Thane
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    /ac "Initial Preparations" <wait.3>
    /ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.2>
    /ac "Inner Quiet" <wait.2>
    /ac "Specialty: Reflect" <wait.3>
    /ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
    /ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Manipulation II" <wait.2>
    /ac "Observe" <wait.3>
    /ac "Focused Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.2>
    /echo Macro #1 complete <se.3>

    /ac "Observe" <wait.3>
    /ac "Focused Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Steady Hand" <wait.2>
    /ac "Piece by Piece" <wait.3>
    /ac "Piece by Piece" <wait.3>
    /ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
    /ac "Ingenuity II" <wait.2>
    /ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
    /ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
    /ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
    /ac "Careful Synthesis III" <wait.3>
    /ac "Careful Synthesis III" <wait.3>
    /echo Macro #2 complete <se.5>
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    Last edited by Ermad; 07-08-2017 at 07:01 AM.

  5. #35
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    Ruben Steppenbergen
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    Thanks for letting us use the updated tool. This rotation could still be improved (Move second steady hand to great strides to make room for multiple piece by pieces while obtaining room for one more prudent touch on the first part). But since it would cost more points, this one seems to be good enough. 3 Macros sadly. Keep in mind its using Ingenuity level 1, not 2.
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  6. #36
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    I have done some rigorous tests on OP (Ermad's) rotation and other rotations here, and also tried to develop my own rotation as well. And I'm talking about REAL tests, NOT simulations (Sorry, I've never been a big fan of simulators. It's just me.). It seems to me that the best rotation is Ermad's rotation refined by Bdyer, with Bdyer's suggestion of moving the PBP to the Byregot finisher phase, and adding an extra Comfort Zone. It reaches IQ10, and uses all touches with 100% success rate, and it does not require any specialist actions.

    The rotation is as follow:


    What I have found in my tests is that, one doesn't need Ermad's original suggested stats of 1296 (1268+28) craft, 1191 control and 516 CP. With Bdyer's modification above, one only needs 490 CP for the rotation. As for craftsmanship, one can go down to as low as 1293 craft. In fact, with such low craftsmanship, I found that I could still complete the item using 3x CS II + 1x CS III under Ingen2. So there was no need for using 4x CS III as in Ermad's original rotation. This saves as much as 21 CP. As for control, one can have even as low as 1136 control, and still be fine. With such low control, one can't push quality from 0 to max, but one can still push out ~13K quality, which will have approx 90% HQ rate. See these data of mine:

    Notice that although the total CP used is calculated to be 481 *fake*. But if you have only 481 CP, the macro will fail, because you won't be able to recover the CP in time for the Blessing (blue text). Thus, one needs 490 CP to start with, so that when the macro reaches the Blessing step, there's 24 CP available (red text). This is also something that a crafting calculator may not find out... and this is why I always believe one gotta do the actual crafting in the game to prove something working. Anyway, at the end of this rotation, there will be 9 CP left over, unable to be utilized. But still, having that 2nd Comfort Zone in there is still lowering the overall CP cost comparing to the original Ermad's rotation.

    Here's the actual macro:
    /ac "Muscle Memory" <wait.3>
    /ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.2>
    /ac "Inner Quiet" <wait.2>
    /ac "Manipulation II" <wait.2>
    /ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
    /ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
    /ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.2>
    /ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
    /echo 1 Star Macro #1 complete <se.3>

    /ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Steady Hand" <wait.2>
    /ac "Piece by Piece" <wait.3>
    /ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
    /ac "Innovation" <wait.2>
    /ac "Ingenuity II" <wait.2>
    /ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
    /ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
    /ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
    /ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
    /ac "Careful Synthesis III" <wait.2>
    /echo 1 Star Macro #2 complete <se.5>

    Unfortunately, we cannot put in EvianEverdeen's Trick of Trade protection into this macro, otherwise, the Blessing will not be covered by the Steady Hand if ToT is activated.

    Here are my stats when I did the tests:


    To reach over 490 CP while using those old accessores, I used an HQ Baked Onion Soup and a Cunning Craftsman's Tea (NQ or HQ depends on your choice):


    Hence, what one can do, is to use a little bit of HQ mats. For instance HQ Beet Sugar are extremely easy to make (feel free to use my 40 durab macro that I posted earlier), and would add approx 1300 quality. This will guarantee your craft 100% HQ. So yeah, I know some people have been saying "40 durab macros are useless because we don't need HQ mats". Well, maybe 40 durab macros can still be useful sometimes!

    Screenshots to prove that it works 100% when 1 HQ mat was used:



    Below are the progress gain data I obtained from the game:
    At 1262 craftsmanship,
    Focused Syn = 406
    CS III + Ingen2 = 406

    At 1293 craftsmanship,
    Focused Syn = 417
    CS III + Ingen2 = 417
    CS II + Ingen2 = 333

    At 1305 craftsmanship,
    Focused Syn = 421
    CS III + Ingen2 = 421
    CS II + Ingen2 = 337

    At 1316 craftsmanship,
    Focused Syn = 425
    CS III + Ingen2 = 425

    At 1325 craftsmanship,
    Focused Syn = 428
    CS III + Ingen2 = 428
    CS II + Ingen2 = 342

    With these data, I generated a 1 star rotation of my own:

    To be frank, it's not as good as the modified Ermad rotation above. My rotation here gets the same job done, but needs 9 more CP and 1316 craftsmanship. Its advantage, is that it does not require Piece by Piece. But as we all know, cross class slots isn't much of a problem anymore in Storm Blood. So I guess this advantage isn't that much of an advantage. Anyway, it was fun playing around with things. At least, it's the first 1 star rotation for non-specialists that does not require PBP!
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    Last edited by Caimie_Tsukino; 07-09-2017 at 04:24 AM.

  7. #37
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    I agree Caimie.
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    You know what's so overpowered in this game, that they just HAD to leave out?
    -Buffing during cutscenes.
    -Pets receiving the Protect buff.
    -A blacklist with more than a 200 player capacity.
    -Filtering the flying text for your own numbers.
    -A better way to organize and sort through your macros.

  8. #38
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    I modified my rotation to give a bit more quality. Requires white HQ gear + Baked Onion Soup + 507 CP (459 before food). About 65 extra control to get max quality, or you will be around 800 quality short.

    The penalty on quality gain for recipes above your level was ramped up dramatically in Stormblood, up to 50% penalty. For 1 star recipes Ingenuity mostly counteracts this, down to no penalty for Ingen2 and 5% penalty for Ingen1. So using Ingenuity for a few touches on higher IQ seems to be worth it now.
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  9. #39
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ermad View Post


    I modified my rotation to give a bit more quality. Requires white HQ gear + Baked Onion Soup + 507 CP (459 before food). About 65 extra control to get max quality, or you will be around 800 quality short.

    The penalty on quality gain for recipes above your level was ramped up dramatically in Stormblood, up to 50% penalty. For 1 star recipes Ingenuity mostly counteracts this, down to no penalty for Ingen2 and 5% penalty for Ingen1. So using Ingenuity for a few touches on higher IQ seems to be worth it now.
    Ermad, how are you getting base 472 CP? I was under the impression the most you could get at base fully melded for CP was 465 and then the most you could get out of food would be a HQ Tempura Platyer at 54 CP. Which would be a base of 465 CP + 54 CP from food, yielding a grand total of 519 CP. The rotation you have pictured above is showing a grand total of 520 CP.

    I'm also not sure where you're getting more quality from this revised macro, it has the same amount of Prudent Touches (9) as your last macro. The only real difference is your added Control, which does help get the final product to 100% HQ and your added CP, which is unecessary. Try your added Control to your original macro or the modified version I posted here and see what happens.
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    Last edited by EvianEverdeen; 07-09-2017 at 07:48 AM.

  10. #40
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvianEverdeen View Post
    Ermad, how are you getting base 472 CP? I was under the impression the most you could get at base fully melded for CP was 465 and then the most you could get out of food would be a HQ Tempura Platyer at 54 CP. Which would be a base of 465 CP + 54 CP from food, yielding a grand total of 519 CP.
    Max guaranteed cp you can get is 554:
    - 472 from max cp melds
    - 54 from HQ Tempura Platter
    - 13 from HQ Cunning Craftsman's Tea
    - 15 from Stroke of genius trait

    Probably been mentioned but if you didn't know food/tea stacks
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