Please Restrict tank classes from wearing strength jewelry.

[Gun-Cat]

shouldn't you healers be worried about healing and not dps? no one likes a squishy tank, that much is true, but you have to understand how tanks feel having their dps nerfed, what fun is in the game for tanks with no dps?

Talking about the current situation: WHM and AST will deal a lot more damage in dungeons when the tank doesn't require constant healing. A PLD in full tanking gear can smoothen the incomming damage so they can be healed comfortably by oGCD healing skills inbetween Holy/Gravity. If you want to go for clear time and see group content as a group performance, with the current state of being, it would be more efficient when tanks focus on migrating damage, taking the healing load of the healer and letting them drop the mobs.

Again, this is not a statement about how the game should be played, just an observation on group performance in dungeons.

[HyperSMB]

but why is is different for healers? is not this xpacs balance about you doing just your role? so shouldn't healers just like tanks stop trying to be dps and just do your job? why the double standard? why can healers get the chance to dps and not tanks? what your saying to me says that they should nerf healer dps.

Your argument is pointless. The thing is, the current state of the game is what we are discussing. If the choice is Tank AoE vs Healer AoE it isn't even a contest with the exception of SCH.

[Adire]

I don't think he's talking about AoE, HyperSMB. Tanks have never been able to compete with healer AoE damage.

[Mostly_Raxus]

Your argument is pointless. The thing is, the current state of the game is what we are discussing. If the choice is Tank AoE vs Healer AoE it isn't even a contest.

The thing is, the current state of the game is tanks tank healers heal and dps dps. the devs have made it clear that that is their intended goal for classes.. So my point being how can you be mad that a tank is not fulfilling their role because of trying to dps, when you ar not fulfilling yours because you want to be a dps?

[HyperSMB]

I don't think he's talking about AoE, Hyper. Tanks have never been able to compete with healer AoE damage.

AoE is the only place the arguement matters since that is where the majority of dungeon time comes from; also, it is the only place in a dungeon where health is a serious issue either way.

The thing is, the current state of the game is tanks tank healers heal and dps dps. the devs have made it clear that that is their intended goal for classes.. So my point being how can you be mad that a tank is not fulfilling their role because of trying to dps, when you ar not fulfilling yours because you want to be a dps?

If this is true, why then wear STR gear if your job is just to tank? I am sorry, but you sound like you don't have a very good argument right now. No tank actually dies to a dungeon boss unless the healer is inept, even in STR gear.

As for the second, any good healer can do both. If the tank is reasonable at their job the healer has significant time to DPS. The issue is when tanks are so weak the healer has to heal AND blow CD's 100% of the time to keep up it simply slows the game down and is worse for everyone.

[ADVSS]

healers would you be happy if you dps was back to being int based?

This needs to happen. LOL and also healers cant wear int accessories past level 60.

i wonder how fast it will take them to get their heads around the fact that their damage never will go up past what can be melded;

Then the argument will be int healers. Because its the same stupid thing that SE did to the tanks. Bragging about that aoe deeps is the bomb, as a HEALER may be true, but its also very hypocritical, because if you got the same, youd be more sympathetic/would probably quit healing like a lot of tanks did/have already

[Adire]

AoE is the only place the arguement matters since that is where the majority of dungeon time comes from; also, it is the only place in a dungeon where health is a serious issue either way.

It's not the only place the argument matters actually. As a tank, I notice and enjoy pushing my damage far more in single target. I don't concern myself with maximizing AoE damage nearly as much and never have, I imagine most tanks are the same way since staying in DPS stance and using AoE outside of when major CDs are up has never been a good idea in large pulls as a tank.

I just want to be more than a damage sponge in the majority of boss fights. Healers still get to do decent DPS in single target and AoE, how is it fair that tanks can't at least do decent DPS in single target fights?

They should either bring tanks back to a level of decency or nerf healer DPS to be at the level of tanks', as it's not fair at all the way it is currently.

[HyperSMB]

This needs to happen. LOL and also healers cant wear int accessories past level 60.

Sure, if our gear passively got INT on it like yours gives STR on the left side. Strawman discussion.

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Trust me, I sympathize. I am not saying your situation doesn't suck, simply pointing out your wearing STR gear slows the run down for everyone in a dungeon. I am not sure how it works out ST but I imagine since it is only right side it break about even with lost healer time if the healer is good.

I hope SE gives you back what you lost I do, I hate the STR tank meta as much as anyone.

enmity scales with our damage higher str the more hate we hold, btw you have those CDs to use then, trust me as a tank i use mine, stop being lazy and use your kit to heal or roll a dps lol

Going to try my hardest not to be rude, but a good tank requires only CD healing most of the time (barring huge pulls which the healer can space CD heals and base heals in between DPS), this allows for as much DPS to be put on the target as possible, clearing the content as fast as possible as well as allowing for reserved CD's like SC if things go bad. If a healer has to babysit you with everything he/she has, they have nothing or little when stuff SERIOUSLY goes wrong..

Not so much a problem in a dungeon setting, in a raid setting, this is an issue.

[Hayward]

My rule is this: If I'm a DPS, I don't want to see my HP overtaking the tank's. That's a recipe for disaster.

[Demise]

Trust me, if a healer is DPSing instead of healing they certainly get blasted for it from all sides. They also get blasted if they don't DPS enough while they are healing. If you're trying to turn this around on healers don't bother, we've been getting dumped on by everyone for everything, you're late to that party.

The problem is that you full str ilvl 270 accessory tanks CANT LIVE THROUGH TANK BUSTERS. You pull whole packs in dungeons and if the healer stops spamming cure 2 long enough to wipe their nose they will die. If you have to stop the cure 2 spam to heal a DPS that took damage to a mechanic, the tank will die. Because you don't have enough health to survive because you're using gear from the last expansion. You're saying that healers should stop worrying about doing DPS? Fine. We'll worry about healing. Oh look, in the time it took to cast Cure 2 the tank has died because they have less HP then the dragoon but still took a tankbuster/pulled 4 packs of mobs anyways. Now I worry about healing and take to the forums to complain because there's a problem here.

That's the problem. If you're not causing this problem with your healers then trust me, no one cares that your dps is 400 higher because you snuck on a couple of STR rings, so good job and pats on the back all around. The problem is when tanks are so incapable of taking damage that you are detrimental to the completion of content. It is becoming enough of a problem that square enix has already said that they're going to address it.

Sorry the bad apples spoiled your bunch. As a scholar main it sucked to have bane practically deleted as well. Thems the breaks.