As a new player, running through the Praetorium dungeon was the worst

[Charlayy]

At this point, we'll have to agree to disagree, but you can't possibly tell me the spoiling of the story, which to me was the worst part, was in anyway okay. I feel like that part is being ignored for the other part of the conversation that has been reiterated constantly.



If that was to me, I said nothing about rewards, so I am unsure where this comment came from. If not at me, then carry on.

Nah i dont reveal spoilers to new players what so ever. And no thats not cool to do either

[jdnyc]

We didnt ask for rewards, thats SE's design. He was lucky they carried him

Bless Your Little Heart. What makes you think they needed to be carried? Plenty of new players catch on pretty quick. I've seen some terrible vet players over the years.
Often those bad players that need to be carried are impatient, try to rush through content (ignoring all mechanics,) and cast asperssions to detract from their own terrible play. Acting like a jerk doesn't make you a good player. It just makes you a jerk.

[Rurur]

This is multiplayer game. Unfortunately other players may have other priorities from yours.

It is polite to skip cut scenes when no one else is watching them.
It is also polite to let a person to finish watching a cut scene.

[RhaegarFFXIFenrir]

newsbies should come first, content is old to @ launch ppl. not a newbie.

7 people shouldn't be held hostage to 1. Also, quit comparing this game to FFXI. This game is NOT FFXI. Yoshida has stated on multiple occasions that this game is not FFXI and he doesn't want it to be FFXI. That game was a grind. Things were slow. You wanted to do anything, you put your party flag up and waited for an hour. Patience was required. It catered to a much more hardcore crowd, but the result was patience for new players. This game caters to casuals. It's not meant to be a grind, it's meant to be something where people can stay current with only a few hours of playtime a week. You try telling someone who might have 2 hours of playtime a day that they HAVE to sit there and wait for that one new player...see how that goes for you.

Your views, and the views of the other "newbie" defending crowd, are just a blaise attempt to force rules you concocted on the rest of us. Guess what, those are your rules. No one else recognizes them, nor do they have to abide by them. Most of us have better things to do than to wait for those CS for one player....we're after our xp bonus and that's it. If you want to say we HAVE to watch the CS and had the ability to enforce such views, no one would run these dungeons at all and then the new players would be gated by the content ala-Raubahn. You can have your idealism, but reality says something different and you can either choose to accept that reality or continue to keep your head hidden up your fourth point of contact.

[Skivvy]

yet in ff11 a game with longer fights and longer cs, no one complained. ppl didn't say " content is irrelevant" newbies came first for a long time. also the 1 v 7 argument doesn't hold water, you can only speak for you, not 7 other people.

me and my g/f ran this as a due several times and it doesn't take an hour to do with seeing all the cs. and this is doing both cm and prae.

imo you guys were very rude, game needs new players to keep going your behavior drives them away. threads like this come up often, when will ppl learn to treat new players a bit better.

I stated playing XI about 2 years after the NA launch. When my LS buddies ran me through the old (insanely long) missions to help catch me up, I skipped just about every CS because I didn't want to make them wait on me. That to me would have been an incredible waste of their time when they are the ones doing me the favor.

Anyway, in my screenshot I posted, I was only trying to explain what was going to happen - and hey, I used smilies! Tone is hard to read in text, and so I tend to be excessive with my smiley use. I was trying to reassure him he wasn't missing much of anything (fighting-wise) since the first two replies came off a bit cold (to me), and it appears he took mine in the same manner. But yeah, an explanation is the best you can offer in those dungeons. It's delusional to think that a full DF group is going to wait on the new member.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

please remove your head from where the sun don't shine. as I stated, i ran this for my g/f 4+ times as we 2-man it. it did not take us an hour to run BOTH cm and prae. She watched all the cs, and i waited. most cs are 10-20 secs long. the longest CS's are around the ultima fight at 2 min in total. so please stop acting rude. People with attitudes like your do not belong in mmo. Newbies should come first. i've seen this thread pop up 40 times if not more since ARR 2.1 when i started, my g/f seen it more times as she started at launch.

Even befoe the msq roulette was added people acted like this.

Perhaps you ought to take your own advice.

Castrum - 14:39
Praetorium - 31:21

Even assuming your GF reads fast, there is no way you both didn't spend over twenty minutes just watching cut scenes in Praetorium.

honestly they should remove the skipping cutscene option from some of the older dungeons to let people watch it and not be rude about it =3

As noted, do this and no one will ever touch either Castrum or Praetorium again. The sheer length of the later's cut scenes is essentially asking upwards of seven other players to do nothing for twenty-five minutes so you can watch cut scenes. If you find a group willing, give them a hug but don't expect it.

[Owatatsumi]

Just ran through the Praetorium dungeon to finish up the ARR story and it was rushed the whole way until the last boss. From my experiences with previous dungeons, I've just given up completely on watching cutscenes and now watch them prior/after.

Also one asshole at the end decided that allowing people to watch a few lengthy cutscenes wasn't part of his agenda so he typed up a big paragraph which I'm pretty sure included key story points and spoilers from both Heavensward and Stormblood. So now before I've even gotten around to buying the Stormblood expansion, there are a few things I now know beforehand which pisses me off..

I don't get why some people need to go to these lengths just because a dungeon takes a little longer than expected. I don't know, maybe my anger isn't warranted, but what's wrong with those who want to be invested into the story/lore of game they play. Yeah we're a couple years late to the party, but what gives....

I agree. It's terrible and Yoshi P. should do something about it. It was an awful feeling for me too, when I was catching up on some content. Hopefully you can find a good free company that will help you with content and let you watch cutscenes.


IMO people shouldn't be able to progress until everyone finishes the cutscene. And it should be a reportable offense for kicking someone or giving them a hard time for them wanting to watch cutscenes. This is Final Fantasy after all! The story is an integral part to the genre!

Also, something needs to be done about new players not being able to experience things like the Coil of Bahmut. No one ques for it and people should be able to experience the content & story.

P.S. If anyone needs a DPS for story content feel free to hit me up. I want people not to feel rushed and to be able to experience this wonderful game!

[Hestzhyen]

IMO people shouldn't be able to progress until everyone finishes the cutscene. And it should be a reportable offense for kicking someone or giving them a hard time for them wanting to watch cutscenes.

You can absolutely report people for unjustified kicking. If you or someone you're in a duty with gets kicked because they want to watch the cutscenes, report the people who did it. You can even report them if they're being verbally abusive or trying to grief you for wanting to watch the story.

In regards to Coil, there are often groups up in PF who run them unsynced for Wondrous Tales. Finding a synced group would be much harder (especially for T8-13), but if you were patient you might be able to get one together. If story is your primary concern I would make an unsync group in Party Finder and advertise that you have bonus and WILL BE WATCHING CUTSCENES. There aren't many long ones in Coil IIRC, but they aren't exactly short either. If you were on Aether I'd volunteer to help for a trip down memory lane. Coil was great and I even grew to like getting my ass kicked by the T9 boss over and over again.

[BigRed5392]

7 people shouldn't be held hostage to 1.

it rarely is 1 newbie vs 7 others. In most cases it is 5 newbies 3 others, or 4 v4. You can't speak for 7 others, just yourself.

Also if you actually read what I said, in no way i'm suggesting to make ff14 into ff11. I was comparing the communities, and how ff11 was new player friendly for 11 years, and that ff14 is not. Considering your rude response.

new players are a bread and butter for mmo. They should feel welcomed into a community. We are suppose to work as a team, not treat others like npc.

oh and my g.f played ff11 for a year at first with 2 hours a day, she never treated anyone rudely for choosing to watch cs, nor did she make them skip. Waiting for group members shows a basic level of teamwork, it welcomes new players.

ypu act like everyone but you is an npc. why do you play mmo with that attitude. Speak for yourself not others.

I stated playing XI about 2 years after the NA launch. When my LS buddies ran me through the old (insanely long) missions to help catch me up, I skipped just about every CS because I didn't want to make them wait on me. That to me would have been an incredible waste of their time when they are the ones doing me the favor.

but did they make you? Did they tell you skip or else? did they tell you to suck it up?

my gf played it 8 years, outside of her dislike of rdm healer only groups, she had a pleasant time.


asking the both of you, how many threads of this coming up do you need to read before getting a wake up call to how rude it is to just speed run dungeons with out people of your group.

[Dualgunner]

Edit: Wow this blew up a lot more than I expected. For those that are reaching out to run through the dungeon with me, I appreciate the gesture, but I finished the dungeon and watched the cutscenes on Youtube. I also did not know about the option to watch story-related cutscenes inside the Inn so I will be going back to that later just so I can see my own character in the cutscenes.

Wish I coulda gotten to you before you posted this. Prae is...a sore spot for the community. Any post about it will explode just like any post about parsers and healer dps.