As a new player, running through the Praetorium dungeon was the worst

[Evergrey]

[Lilseph]

Was looking for this.

[Yshnal]

Each time that I do the main story roulette and there's someone new, if I see that they are watching the cutscenes I politely ask the rest of the team to wait after explaining them that:

1) We're doing that roulette because we want. There's plenty of alternatives to get the same tomestones in the same (or less) time, without disturbing someone trying to enjoy the story.
2) If we need these specific tomestones, we're getting additional ones due to the new players. That's a whole other run that we don't need to do to get them.

If they proceed to ignore me, I simply wait with the new players (out of the boss room, or to guide them if they get lost somewhere else, like with the magitek). At this point the additonal dps/healer/tank is not needed, but at least I'm doing what I feel is right. I simply can't bear to see the new players' experience ruined because someone can't wait on the dungeon that they voluntarily joined out of the other alternatives that there's to get the very same tomestones. Ruining their experience on top of getting an extra thanks to them is just rude and selfish, especially when you run those dungeons because you want.

But I'm not that naive to not see that these rude players run that roulette just because of that reason (potential additional tomestones), and couldn't care less about someone else. They just want to finish it ASAP and f*ck everyone else. That, or they're just stupid and didn't notice that they don't need to run that.

By the way, it's not just the cutscenes what they get ruined, and thus the context of the whole dungeon (thus getting spoiled once they try to run it again or watch the cutscenes at the inn), but also boss fights or fun mechanics like the magitek mount part.

There's no excuse. When I don't want to wait I don't join the main story roulette, and I do something else.

P.S.: I also vote to perma ban people like the asshole that purposely spoiled the story on the OP's run.

[Nixxe]

Each time that I do the main story roulette and there's someone new, if I see that they are watching the cutscenes I politely ask the rest of the team to wait after explaining them that:

1) We're doing that roulette because we want. There's plenty of alternatives to get the same tomestones in the same (or less) time, without disturbing someone trying to enjoy the story.
2) If we need these specific tomestones, we're getting additional ones due to the new players. That's a whole other run that we don't need to do to get them.

If they proceed to ignore me, I simply wait with the new players (out of the boss room, or to guide them if they get lost somewhere else, like with the magitek). At this point the additonal dps/healer/tank is not needed, but at least I'm doing what I feel is right. I simply can't bear to see the new players' experience ruined because someone can't wait on the dungeon that they voluntarily joined out of the other alternatives that there's to get the very same tomestones. Ruining their experience on top of getting an extra thanks to them is just rude and selfish, especially when you run those dungeons because you want.

But I'm not that naive to not see that these rude players run that roulette just because of that reason (potential additional tomestones), and couldn't care less about someone else. They just want to finish it ASAP and f*ck everyone else. That, or they're just stupid and didn't notice that they don't need to run that.

By the way, it's not just the cutscenes what they get ruined, and thus the context of the whole dungeon (thus getting spoiled once they try to run it again or watch the cutscenes at the inn), but also boss fights or fun mechanics like the magitek mount part.

There's no excuse. When I don't want to wait I don't join the main story roulette, and I do something else.

P.S.: I also vote to perma ban people like the asshole that purposely spoiled the story on the OP's run.

And if everyone who wasn't willing to sit around for 35 minutes each run doing nothing exercised those alternatives, the cutscene watching sprout wouldn't get into Praetorium in the first place. You can blame players for SE's failings, but you're just being entirely unreasonable.

[Yshnal]

And if everyone who wasn't willing to sit around for 35 minutes each run doing nothing exercised those alternatives, the cutscene watching sprout wouldn't get into Praetorium in the first place. You can blame players for SE's failings, but you're just being entirely unreasonable.

I pretty much doubt it. I've met plenty of nice players that were there to help, or that didn't mind waiting. Also, even if no one went there, then what? At least then the new players would have to find out how to make a party outside of the duty finder, potentially avoiding this issue (something that a lot are suggesting them to do even in the current circumstances). Keep in mind that a lot of new players just use the DF unaware of the other options, or because they didn't have the need to find a FC earlier.

Also, I've never said that it's just the players' fault, in general. We discussed this a lot back in 2013, and both SE and the players didn't do things as they should. The former for not taking into account the western mentality and always thinking the best about the players (this is not the first situation where this happens), and the later for abusing the system whenever they can.

[Skivvy]

Also, I've never said that it's just the players' fault, in general.

Sure, you may not have blamed them specifically, but you did imply they were rude and selfish. MSQ roulette is a situation where you scratch my back, and I'll scratch yours. New players, despite what you think, would be suffering from far longer queues to accomplish anything. Finding 8 people who want to spend an hour in a dungeon that is from years ago is going to be slim. So yes, the roulette gets people in quickly to complete the MSQ while the 'helpers' get some tomes or quick exp.

Also, unrelated to the current reply, but the thread in general:

Cute little sprout getting snippy.


The CM/Prae situation is not ideal, but that's why SE changed their evil ways in later dungeon.

[Yshnal]

Sure, you may not have blamed them specifically, but you did imply they were rude and selfish. MSQ roulette is a situation where you scratch my back, and I'll scratch yours. New players, despite what you think, would be suffering from far longer queues to accomplish anything. Finding 8 people who want to spend an hour in a dungeon that is from years ago is going to be slim. So yes, the roulette gets people in quickly to complete the MSQ while the 'helpers' get some tomes or quick exp.

Also, unrelated to the current reply, but the thread in general:

Cute little sprout getting snippy.


The CM/Prae situation is not ideal, but that's why SE changed their evil ways in later dungeon.

Are you telling me that not caring about a new player's experience when you are getting a reward for having them (the same amount of tomestones that you would get from doing a second run that you won't need to do) is not rude or selfish? But that doesn't mean that the whole playerbase does it, nor it's just its fault. As for the rest of what you said, I already answered it in the post that you got that quote from.

Anyway, what did you try to achieve with that screenshot? He's saying what we are saying, and you call him snippy. Do you find it unreasonable for him to reply like that after you told him to suck it up and miss the dungeon? Because you know fully well that it's not just trash pulls what those that watch cutscenes miss. No, you didn't "need" to keep going, you just decided that you had to, regardless of getting twice as much tomestones thanks to him. I'll say it again: TWICE.

[savageink]

Sure, you may not have blamed them specifically, but you did imply they were rude and selfish.

They are rude and selfish. If they don't want to let the sprouts watch the cutscenes, then they shouldn't do the roulette. The only reason the roulettes exist is so new players can play the content.

[Charlayy]

Sure, you may not have blamed them specifically, but you did imply they were rude and selfish. MSQ roulette is a situation where you scratch my back, and I'll scratch yours. New players, despite what you think, would be suffering from far longer queues to accomplish anything. Finding 8 people who want to spend an hour in a dungeon that is from years ago is going to be slim. So yes, the roulette gets people in quickly to complete the MSQ while the 'helpers' get some tomes or quick exp.

Also, unrelated to the current reply, but the thread in general:

Cute little sprout getting snippy.


The CM/Prae situation is not ideal, but that's why SE changed their evil ways in later dungeon.

Should have just vote kicked like we mostly do.

[Nixxe]

I pretty much doubt it. I've met plenty of nice players that were there to help, or that didn't mind waiting. Also, even if no one went there, then what? At least then the new players would have to find out how to make a party outside of the duty finder, potentially avoiding this issue (something that a lot are suggesting them to do even in the current circumstances). Keep in mind that a lot of new players just use the DF unaware of the other options, or because they didn't have the need to find a FC earlier.

Also, I've never said that it's just the players' fault, in general. We discussed this a lot back in 2013, and both SE and the players didn't do things as they should. The former for not taking into account the western mentality and always thinking the best about the players (this is not the first situation where this happens), and the later for abusing the system whenever they can.

This seems like blind belief in some sort of notion of inherent human goodness than anything based on evidence or rationality. The sheer volume of people who run the MSQ roulette the way they do pretty much speaks to how incredibly rare it is that people are actually willing to sit through the cutscenes for sprouts, though it does make it clear there are still a lot of sprouts progressing through the story. Yeah, I'm sure you meet plenty of nice people, but being a nice person doesn't mean you're going to be willing to spend several hours each day queuing into the MSQ roulette and sitting around twiddling your thumbs just to make sure all the little sprouts can have an uninterrupted cutscene experience with reasonable queue times.

They are rude and selfish. If they don't want to let the sprouts watch the cutscenes, then they shouldn't do the roulette. The only reason the roulettes exist is so new players can play the content.

And you're fulfilling that role by queuing into the dungeon and clearing it, giving them quest credit and allowing them to continue with the MSQ. You're not signing a contract to wait for every last person to watch every cutscene when you join the queue. You guys are ridiculously egocentric.