Tanks that think they are DPS, just stop...

[Evaddaragon]

I don't know if it's serious or trolling... but I'll bite regardless.


Tanking in DPS stance with STR accessories with healers you don't know is asking for trouble because you expect their reaction time to be higher than almost all pure strangers' are. But the reason the STR meta happened in the first place is because people were looking for ways to get things done even quicker (in Gordias Savage's case, it was to get things done at all). People have proven it can work... under the right conditions. What got out of hand is that the (very) vocal minority made it look like it was supposed to be done all the time no matter the conditions and if you weren't doing things "the only good way", you're automically "bad".

But whether you tank in tank stance with VIT accessories or in DPS stance with STR accessories (or anything in between), simply using your enmity combo is doing it wrong. Ever since Stormblood launched, as I did leveling dungeons, I stayed in tank stance, and even as I was doing Omega Normal yesterday, I didn't need to use a single Halone combo if I tanked in tank stance, unless I tank swapped on Exdeath to solidify hate. Our boost to enmity modifiers are that good, really. They even were decently good in Heavensward, as the reason I even used the Halone combo in tank stance actually was more because of the debuff than actual enmity generation.

Now, as people are worried that the DPS gap will widen over the expansion because tanks simply get VIT on their accessories, I'm not worried one bit because :

1- It was exactly like that in ARR and it never happened. Why would it be different now? Sure, our numbers got bigger but has the actual proportion widened between ARR and SB? No, it did not.

2- It was announced that there would be adjustments come patch 4.05... in...two...friggin'...WEEKS. Could we at least wait until that time before panicking?

But since the debate has been going since patch 3.0, about two years ago, I'm not expecting people to stop anytime soon.

[Ultimatecalibur]

Now, as people are worried that the DPS gap will widen over the expansion because tanks simply get VIT on their accessories, I'm not worried one bit because :

I suspect a lot of them are complaining because they got used to the MTing in DpS stance meta and the new meta and they fear that the new meta is going to force them to tank in tank stance hurting their dps parses.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

I suspect a lot of them are complaining because they got used to the MTing in DpS stance meta and the new meta and they fear that the new meta is going to force them to tank in tank stance hurting their dps parses.

Well, even if you're forced to tank stance 24/7 you can still maximize?

Unless dps push hate to such a degree tanks need to aggro combo all the time and-

Oh.

[Jhett_Magnum]

You know who you are. stop complaining about your DPS numbers and hold aggro with aggro builder combos, and if DPS die because of they casually ripped aggro off you then that is your fault because you didn't hold aggro on that 1 trash mob. if they used an AoE, then that is their fault. Do you job as a tank and hold aggro. Because I already am.


EDIT: Also stop blaming the healers for not keeping you alive and blaming them for DPSing when you clearly ran too far ahead and decided to not use any cooldowns that's your own fault for being stupid, you masochists...

Uh so what exactly is the point of an OT if there are no adds to tank. I.E Both SB extreme primals. Why not one Tank and 5 dps hmm? I wish people would STOP INSISTING WE TANKS WANT TO OUT DPS DPS. It's BALANCE BETWEEN TANKS ONLY.

[Hruodig]

Personally when I OT a fight, I sit around focusing on the fight until an add spawns that I can pick up and tank. After all I'm a tank not a dps, I only signed up to tank. Why should I be expected to dps?

[Jhett_Magnum]

Personally when I OT a fight, I sit around focusing on the fight until an add spawns that I can pick up and tank. After all I'm a tank not a dps, I only signed up to tank. Why should I be expected to dps?

You DPS regardless. How you do it is up to you. I prefer to give my all in dps as OT, but not at the expense of a mechanic for a gcd. If that makes sense.

[Hruodig]

You DPS regardless. How you do it is up to you. I prefer to give my all in dps as OT, but not at the expense of a mechanic for a gcd. If that makes sense.

I meant that I /sit on the ground until an add spawns, sorry for the confusion.

[Derio]

You don't pay my sub lol

[FallenWings]

How to solve DPS queues for dummies.

Castrate the tank community and enforce poor play/an outdated playstyle/an unrewarding design that only appeals to an even minor minority in the already small tank population.

Excuse me you filthy peasant tank player, I am the hero here! Only MY damage should matter. You should be the good little dog you are and sit there with your shield up so I can have fun being the great hero. Oh but healers are cool. Tanks should be tanking as well so that HEALers can DPS. Ecks Dee.

[Spartan926]

I'm in agreement with the main point of this thread. There's no reason to try to out DPS anyone as a tank. If you're MT your first job is to be #1 on the aggro bar, if you're OT your first job should be to be #2 on the aggro bar in case something happens, your second job is to watch for and pick up ads as necessary. Everything other than that is secondary.