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    Quote Originally Posted by Daralii View Post
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    This actually goes back to how each FF World is seen when players view the FFverses sometimes before entering the FF world during certain FF game intros.

    When you view the FFverses in the FF Multiverse each FF World are seen as Giant Crystals.

    This is a very common theme in the FF series that a Giant Crystal represents the World of a certain FF world.
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    OK, so, let me get this straight:

    Characters from fictional works within the world of XIV brought to life by Omega prove there is a direct link between it and other Final Fantasy worlds.

    ... that makes no sense.

    The Interdimensional Rift's presence here is... unexplained. Whether or not it's the Rift, or simply a rift created by this world's Omega, is unknown. We do know that, according to Midgardsormr, he is from another world - as is Omega, apparently. According to Nero and Midgardsormr, Omega is pulling beings from fiction for us to fight because it can't distinguish reality from fiction and is lousy when it comes to creativity. Our final two opponents in the Tournament of Power Omega's testing process for now are explicitly fictional characters - which, it should be noted, lines up with the description of the high-end Dissidia artwork Triple Triad cards being of fictional characters in the context of XIV's world.

    As it stands... the Interdimensional Rift is a pocket dimension created by this world's Omega, not the Rift, and the creatures it's manifesting for us to fight are of fictional characters. That's how I see it, anyway.

    (Personally, I'm more amused at Nero's nigh-constant trolling Cid and how in my effort to emulate 2B with the blindfold I ended up looking more like Zatoichi, and more worried about how Omega is holding the world hostage so we continue to help its test. But, that's just me...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cilia View Post
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    Honestly, all this can only come down to the question "What is reality?"

    As Midgar said Omega's view of reality is different from our own view of reality due to what it has gone through in its own life span as it has seen evens unfold enough to witness actual events where other Heroes saved the world from destruction.

    After the Raid the terminal in Reach next to Jessie expands more on Omega's appearance in FF14 world and it appears to be found 100 years before the Allagan became a Empire but Allagan researchers determine Omega has been on the World of FF14 for a very long time that it may not even be from the world of FF14.

    I am curious how the story may go because right now it is at the "question" phase where there are only questions and we won't get answers until the 2nd or 3rd/Finale Set of Raid Stages.

    As for Cid and Nero:

    Well I expected them to be that way as they are considered Friendamies after all. it would be wrong for neither of them to not troll each other when they get the chance.
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    Midgardsormr flat-out said that neither he nor Omega are native to Hydaelyn; that doesn't mean they're from another Final Fantasy world / reality, and even if they were, it still wouldn't prove there's any more a connection between Eorzea / Hydaelyn and other worlds than is commonly acknowledged to exist. Nero also explicitly stated that both Halicarnassus and Exdeath are fictional characters on Hydaelyn. (Quick, someone go run Haukke Manor HM so we can see what they changed the final boss' name to!)

    As I recall the documents recovered stated Allag was able to reactivate Omega... what was it, 170 years after Xande's death? And they found it 150 years after, or something like that? I don't think that really changes anything, just adds some background to Omega...
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    As I said all this can only come down to the question "What is reality?"

    We only know what the NPCs tell us but there is more behind this entire event than meets the eye as Midgar pointed out after Exdeath's Defeat when he question Alpha about his true intensions.

    We can only sepculate now anyways and it is only until 2nd Raid or 3rd/Finale Raid when anything is answered.
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    As an aside, a while back it was stated somewhere that we would learn more about Midgardsormr's connection to Silvertear Lake, correct? That didn't manifest in the implied time frame so it may be a mystery solved during Omega's story arc.
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    My hypothesis as to why Omega would choose to recreate defeated villains is that, well, Omega creates life forms based on its knowledge of them. I'd say it can't conjure up its own vision of an original being from thin air. Thus, it cannot create what it cannot understand, and there's likely extremely vague or no information on exactly what the heroes were like, only that they were victorious in the end.

    Also, note that Omega creating new life forms for itself to fight is only an idea set forth by Cid. It's unlikely that Omega can ever create anything that would actually pose a challenge to itself. It lacks a soul and is analytical by nature, and thus everything it creates, it already knows everything about. What's more likely is that the life forms it makes are a way to draw forth beings not of its own creation to overcome them, perhaps eventually finding something strong enough to stand against Omega itself. Like us.
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    I really enjoyed the story part of omega (way more than SB main story) but I also believe that the devs went out of their way to say that these could also be only fictional characters thus want to go more to the way of "no these are not the true characters from FF XYZ". Also if they kinda decide to implement characters like Sephirot which we will defeat, wouldnt that make the WoL the strongest person in the whole FF universe? (If there is one FF universe, which Yoshida himself already denied I think) Having those characters just as recreations from fiction would make more sense, since they simply could say that boss X is just weaker in FF14 because it was something that comes from fiction.

    Also even if all the hints of older FFs are nice for long time fans I would feel kinda off if we suddenly have it canon that all these FF worlds exist alongside our world simply because we already have a split world.
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    Is anyone here familiar with the Digimon franchise and its multiverse lore? I feel like what's happening with Omega is pretty similar.

    In Digimon Tamers, the characters and events of the preceding series (Digimon Adventure and Digimon Adventure 02) were known by the characters because they existed in that world as a television show, yet were 100% real in another universe.

    Playing through the content today, my interpretation wasn't that Omega was directly copying fairy tales. Fairy tales are merely Nero and Cid's rationalization of what's happening, as the events of FFV (and other titles) are known stories in the world of XIV. Omega's alien origin suggests that its data was indeed obtained from visiting other worlds in the Final Fantasy multiverse, but characters in XIV have no reason to suspect that that's what's happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zofis View Post
    Is anyone here familiar with the Digimon franchise and its multiverse lore? I feel like what's happening with Omega is pretty similar.

    In Digimon Tamers, the characters and events of the preceding series (Digimon Adventure and Digimon Adventure 02) were known by the characters because they existed in that world as a television show, yet were 100% real in another universe.

    Playing through the content today, my interpretation wasn't that Omega was directly copying fairy tales. Fairy tales are merely Nero and Cid's rationalization of what's happening, as the events of FFV (and other titles) are known stories in the world of XIV. Omega's alien origin suggests that its data was indeed obtained from visiting other worlds in the Final Fantasy multiverse, but characters in XIV have no reason to suspect that that's what's happening.
    That's a pretty interesting parallel actually. And it's funny seeing old enemies re-appear but in a completely different role.
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