Thread: [SPOILERS] Revelations from Patch 4.01

Originally Posted by Fenral

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As much people want to deny the possibility of FF characters from other FF games being part of FF14 directly we can't deny this part of Omega raid as the correct term should be called Dissidia Raid.

Omega is trying to gather data by testing the WoL against Antagonist from other FF worlds so he can evolve because throughout it travels in the Dimensional Rift into other FF worlds it has seen their Protagonists of that FF world perform miracles against the Antagonists.

The FF14 WoL is basically a test subject here in a recreation of final battles against past FF series Antagonist created from Omega's data gathered through its travels in the FFverse.

On that note:
I am curious what the next 2 raids will be and which FF Antagonist will be the next Antagonist used for Omega's experiment to study how a Warrior of Light can perform miracles.

Originally Posted by EdwinLi

As much people want to deny the possibility of FF characters from other FF games being part of FF14 directly we can't deny this part of Omega raid as the correct term should be called Dissidia Raid.

Objection!

Omega is clearly the Chocobo Tales raid, and I will fight anyone who says otherwise.

Originally Posted by Anonymoose

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I agree. Each game is free to come up with its own way to link itself to the others, but that does not necessarily override other games' canon.

Originally Posted by SantoLuciano

I think the fallen 13th shard could be Final Fantasy 13 "Lighting Returns" because the story behind that game is to save as many people as possible before the world is completely consumed by the darkness. And I think the reason the Warriors of Darkness's world is "consumed by light" is in reference to Final Fantasy 1, because once you beat the came and conquer the darkness the game ends.and so does their world.

But we never saw an Ascian in FF13, also they never had Warrior of Lights in this game and there was no Hydealyn. Also at the end they completely made a whole new universe, while in FF14 the whole shard became the void. Also the world of the WoD is not consumed by Light. It would have but thanks to our crystals Minfilia was sent there to take the lights with her before they could consume the world, thus this shard is save.

Lets not forget that we already have FF15 thus we should have way more shards since they are way more FF worlds. Also I would simply not like it because I still have the hope that we will get some more information of the shards and if those are just the FF worlds than this would mean just old information again and not a real unique story to them.

FF callbacks are all nice but the world itself should have their own stand alone lore and I fear that this would put a dent on that. (FF14 is still a main game of the franchise and not a spin of like Dissidia)

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About omega: I really hope that it will stay this soulless machine. Not every single character needs to be morally grey or have a morality at all. I like that its not evil at all because right now its simply is a machine and does it things to get better and tries to do this logically. Its kinda like a robot that is created to do a certain task and if that task means to mass kill then it would not make the machine evil, it would make the one behind the machine bad.

(Also sorry but after SB I still just see Garlemald als black with some kind of grey between it.)

I admittedly don't play the crossover games, so I need a lot of help, here. Also I'm desperate to not be seen as pushing back, dismissive, or otherwise disrespectful; I'm not trying to be confrontational, just trying to express my hopeless inability to grasp the reasons.

What is it that carries so much weight that people so easily judge Dissidia / Mobius have authority superseding every other game? It's hard canon, but isn't it the hard canon of those games? I get that people are building their own house of cards out of it. (Dissidia here. Mobius here. FFVIII Gilgamesh here. DLC add-on fight here. Remake bonus boss battle here. Lightning crossover event here. Taken as a whole they prove each other true!) But what if they're all just independently using the same convenient excuses to justify their own existence? Are other games reciprocating and adding this to their lore in a meaningful way? Aren't these all just contrivances to make people spend money because "OMG Cloud AND Lightning AND Kefka AND Ramza AND Chaos OMG OMG OMG"? (FFT giddiness is me, btw.)

No one from Development Team V (FFXIV) seems to have acknowledged anything but pseudo-canon fun-time (which is what I'm waiting for; why I hold the bulwark). Naoki Yoshida said that this world is isolated. Banri Oda said that the characters on Triple Triad cards are faerie tales Eoreans made up. 4.01 tells you that Omega can't tell real things from fictional things because both are concepts it can render into reality, and thus it brings folktales to life, as well. How does anything carry enough weight to supersede it? Why go through the trouble of saying those things and making those excuses if they can just blame the Multiverse if the Multiverse is in play? What if FFXIV being a Final Fantasy theme park just requires some of the same excuses to use some of the same nostalgia?

I thought Nero explained it pretty clearly. Why does an unrelated (albeit well-loved) smartphone game outrank him?

Interdimensional rifts are also explained as being pocket dimensions that fit into spaces between the Thirteen Reflections, the Source, the Sea, and perhaps some great dark Chaos beyond. The Chrysalis is one. Louisoix sent us into one. The Bend of Time is one. There's a running theme of it being convenient disconnection, and while I understand that other games use the same terms, what carries so much weight that we superimpose the rest of the implications from those games onto it as a packaged bundle? Does it rest on the shoulders of Omega and Lightning Strikes 2013 being connected by the Multiverse? Shouldn't we then say Chrono is now part of the Final Fantasy XIV cosmos, as well?

I feel very lost, or perhaps crazy, or probably both. I'm hoping I just have an unpopular opinion or have missed a concrete, undeniable citation somewhere.

EDIT Feel free to add "Ignore Moose, he doesn't believe in Dissidia." with "Ignore Moose, he thinks Gaius is alive." on the stereotype jokes chart, lol.
Again: pret-ty desperate to be seen as confused rather than pushing back.

Originally Posted by Anonymoose

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The Dimensional Rift is a complex thing in the FF series but in short it is between all FF world's realities connected to all FF worlds. Basically a Space of Reality that is between all Realities of FF worlds.

It is because of that why omega can appear in different FF worlds and so can Gilgamesh as well as it is the Bridge and Gateway into all FF worlds.

The Laws of reality in each FF world is it own Laws but the Dimensional Rift is its own law as well that is used to link FF worlds together through bridges and gates within the Dimensional Rift.

Originally Posted by Nerisu

FFXIV's Interdimensional Rift is not a link to the FF multiverse. It's simply a dimension where Omega creates entities based on historical figures or fairy tales in the world of FFXIV. In the world of FFXIV, FFV is just a work of fiction and is not an alternate world.

If you only look in FF14 Reality's point of view the yes but this is a bit more complex than just say "it is a fairy tale in this reality."

The reality of thing is while other FF games are just stories in FF14 world they are reality for their realities while FF14 is a fairy tale in their reality.

For example, a Movie we see in our reality is just a movie that is a work of fiction and fairy tales to us but for the people in the movie they are the ones in reality and we are the ones in a fiction and fairy tale.

The Interdimensional Rift is a Reality between all FF Realities connected to each one bound to a different set of realities. We are only given the explaination that FFV is in FF14 reality a fairy tale because in their reality it is a Fairy tale in FF14 world but in FFV world the FFV is reality itself. Omega takes this aspect of FFV reality, being Exdeath, and put it into the Dimensional Rift because it has been there in FFV world. Well just one of its smaller parts it created atleast.

As Omega lore stated, Omega separated itself into smaller Omegas and send them out into different Realities of FF world and the Omega we found in FF14 world is one of those smaller Omegas.

Originally Posted by Anonymoose

Shouldn't we then say Chrono is now part of the Final Fantasy XIV cosmos, as well?

Well, if World of Final Fantasy is anything to go by, there is a Final Fantasy Multiverse. Yet, even further beyond that, there is the Extraverse. Non FF SE products like Sigma Harmonics and Xenogears are from there, so Chrono very well might be too. A bit harder to travel to than other universes within your own multiverse though.

I don't see why dimensional travel between FF universes wouldn't be considered canon for all games. Unless it directly contradicts preexisting lore, then it is canon material that was published in an official FF release and should therefor be considered canon unless proven otherwise. I mean, sure, it totally is a plot contrivance with the primary purpose of having fun cross overs, but that shouldn't invalidate it.