Don't like DPS queue time? Roll a tank or healer!

[TitaniaZero]

I do tank. But for my 4 person team. I won't tank for anyone else. People are too critical and intimidating for me to do that in half these things this game does.

But I will be content to not do things at all for long queues or I will be content with reasonable ones. As a DPS. I can't even convince myself to heal and that is due to confidence. >>

[KisaiTenshi]

I'm a healer and some times still get long que times because of tank shortage. maybe if made healer and tank jobs easer and more fun there wouldn't be so many of them going to dps jobs.

There isn't really a healer/tank shortage per se, there are enough players who have these these jobs leveled. It's how the queues are setup that is creating the shortage. For example I may want to run something Alexander (normal), there is no roulette for Alexander. Maybe I want to run Void Ark, there is no roulette for that. You have to wait a good two hours to get a party for these regardless of the role you select, you pretty much have to select 5 raids and hope that one of them will have enough people.

There basically needs to be a "surprise me" roulette that picks anything you've completed or anything you've unlocked but not cleared. The "Surprise Me" queue should quite literately find the longest queue people have been waiting in and drop people into it. As it is right now, you will never get a DF party for any of the Raid's unless they're in Khloe's Wonderous Tails book, or the most recent one. Most of the old raids are perpetually waiting for DPS even when they have healers and tanks, people only do them once a week, if they do them at all for the book. The dungeons seem to always be short tanks, and the trials are always short healers. More to the point there needs to be a way to queue multiple jobs at once. Maybe I don't care if I queue as WHM, AST or PLD for a "Surprise Me" Roulette.

Had a bit of a "oh crap" moment today when I ticked the "leveling roulette" with my level 55 Paladin wearing only ilevel 130 gear got "Sohm Al" (same level gear the dungeon drops) I decided to take the pulls one at a time. There is no minimum ilevel for the leveling queue dungeons, so I suppose that can explain why some tanks are squishier than others.

[Kathryn]

I do tank. But for my 4 person team. I won't tank for anyone else. People are too critical and intimidating for me to do that in half these things this game does.

But I will be content to not do things at all for long queues or I will be content with reasonable ones. As a DPS. I can't even convince myself to heal and that is due to confidence. >>

This, I only tank for my FC or when my bf is specifically tanking as most WHM's like to kill me off and blame my tanking where as with my bf we never have any wipes even on first dungeon runs.

[SenorPatty]

So what do you do when you cap all your tank and healing classes but you want to do leveling roulette and your friends and fc mates are not at your beck and call every time you demand it, cuz you know, they got their own gaming life too?

Really, really wish people would stop making these asinine threads.

[Janhyua]

I tanked for 4 years I want to DPS already :c

[Fluffernuff]

This entire situation would probably vanish if DF, or maybe even the NA community as a whole, just used a simple social skill called "Communication".All I've witnessed is demands. Demands and tantrums.

DPS like BLM load into DF with randoms and demand mass pulls before the instance even loads. Tanks pull small only for the healer to body pull the next pack "for them". Tanks die because mobs are hitting too hard and blame the healer. So tanks are conditioned to mass pull- guess what? that healer isnt happy about your "judgement". Tanks are such mindless lemmings, copying the big boys, aren't they? God, they're so squishy!

Yup, we just need more Tanks and healers around.

Duty Finder is a mess... whatever happened to just... ASKING? And you guys want people to pick up healing and tanking right now. Ha!

[Driavna]

So what do you do when you cap all your tank and healing classes but you want to do leveling roulette and your friends and fc mates are not at your beck and call every time you demand it, cuz you know, they got their own gaming life too?

Really, really wish people would stop making these asinine threads.

You deal with it because if you want this game to stick with the holy trinity there is no solution. And after my experiences with GW2 and BnS any "challenging" content without holy trinity with randoms is the ultimate xxxx show because "I just DPS".

[Frowny]

I like playing DRK, but given my main in DRG I'd rather take it through content when it drops....

The problem is Yoshi COMPLETELY misjudged adding 2 DPS, very popular ones at that. Fluff's post reminds me of what I commonly see: PFs or /sh for people to join that have 2 DPS (usually RDM/SAM). So yes, there is a bit of a shortage.

I remember queues in HW being a bit long for DPS, but the 30min+ ones for relevant content is a new thing. Yes, there is a "me" mentality: I can't always have my pocket tank/healer around and I'd rather play a class I know I'm decent at.

[Driavna]

I like playing DRK, but given my main in DRG I'd rather take it through content when it drops....

The problem is Yoshi COMPLETELY misjudged adding 2 DPS, very popular ones at that. I remember queues in HW being a bit long for DPS, but the 30min+ ones for relevant content is a new thing. Yes, there is a "me" mentality: I can't always have my pocket tank/healer around and I'd rather play a class I know I'm decent at.

Adding more Tanks is just a solution for leveling content, after all in this game a lot of player max level all classes (no idea why to be honest). But for high-end content? Only if one of the tanks are absurdly OP, at least on my experience in all the MMO's I played.

[Zojha]

You deal with it because if you want this game to stick with the holy trinity there is no solution.

Even if you want to stick to the T with the holy trinity, you can just add more DPS slots to groups. The only adjustments needed are the HP of the mobs and mechanics designed for exactly 4/8 players in the party.

Further, you're grossly overestimating the impact of the trinity. It exists and is popular for two reasons: Simplicity and fantasy.

For challenge, there's mechanics and each and every mechanic that requires you to do something particular for avoidance, whether it be gaze mechanics, meteor placements, priorizing adds, tethers of all kinds, telegraphs, glowing platforms, self positioning, stack and spread and whathaveyou, all of those ignore the trinity as they are and they can be copy & pasted into any non-trinity game without much change. The only change needed is to remove the arbitrary damage you take on performing the mechanic right, because that exists to give healers something to do.

And if you care to notice, this game heavily relies on non-trinity design to make fights challenging. In that light, PotD is an immensely disappointing design failure. It was designed with the intent of allowing any group to beat it, but instead of using the vast array of non-trinity tools they already have in their game to make it a fun and engaging piece of content, they just put up a watered down version of a trinity dungeon that still relies heavily on un-avoidable damage and simply increase that damage for their "challenge floors". And that's why the solo records are dominated by tanks and healers and why some bosses can be damn near impossible without farming aetherpool first or having a healer. They completely missed the mark on that one.