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  1. #181
    Player
    Jade3173's Avatar
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    Sep 2015
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    Gridania
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    Character
    Ayis Luola
    World
    Cerberus
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by kupokage View Post
    If I get a lazy healer who wont DPS and tops me off whenever I fall below 99% HP, I will speed run, mass pull, chain pull etc. and put their ass to work.
    Yes! Love this so much. As someone that did the MSQ as AST (friend as PLD) I did easily find time to DPS. Now though for a change of pace I've gone BRD (so much support!) and I make sure to pop my 20% increased healing on my tank when he does the big pulls and once that is off I'll give him a nice 20% physical damage reduction so that the healers have less to heal and can do some nice damage.
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  2. #182
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    Kelzack's Avatar
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    Character
    Kelou Lou
    World
    Mateus
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Pells View Post
    One of the new scholar abilities, Excogitation, doesn't even trigger until you drop below 50%.
    Oh don't get me wrong, that's just me being a worry wort. I still trust my group completely. You have to in these roulettes it helps everyone move along well together.
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  3. #183
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    yokan's Avatar
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    Character
    Dode Capod
    World
    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 17
    This all boils down to players making sound judgements

    There is absolutely no issues for a healer to do DPS in cases where the party is cruising through encounters. What is the point in a healer standing idle during a 30 second encounter, where a maximum of 2-3 heals is sufficient to keep the tank (group) in a good health standing. 80% of healers time is wasted, when he could contribute to speeding up runs. Healers judge situation based on their experience and observation of current party capabilities. Obviously there are bad healers and good healers (just as there are smarter and dumber people in real world) but tanks/DPS should be smart enough to understand this. But alas, there too, are smart and dumb tanks/dps.

    Essentially, apply some sound judgement to the situation.
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  4. #184
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    katsu456's Avatar
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    Character
    Katsu Omega
    World
    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 70
    On phone here bear with me.
    So basically this new attitude comes from bad tank and healers alike. Healers tunneling in on dps and getting the heals off to late or forcing the tank to use the oh shit CDs when they are not needed. Also comes to tanks pulling everything possiple without knowing their classes limits and CD management.

    Thing to remember is 40/40/20
    40% of people suck at their class
    40% are average
    20% are good
    So most of the time you are seeing people biting off more than they can chew or expecting others to carry their weight without testing the waters and raging on others for expecting to group with the top 20%
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  5. #185
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    Claire_Pendragon's Avatar
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    Limsa Lominsa
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    Character
    Claire Pendragon
    World
    Mateus
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 100
    I used to not have issues with tanks using CDs, but lately with SB, they sure as heck wont keep up CDs.
    Even if im only healing, and they are full HP, the period of time it takes to cast a cure spell, they die if mobs crit them.
    They take waaaaay too much dmg.
    (plus a lot of them are standing in AoEs, as they dont wanna dodge them, which pretty much is impossible to heal them through with enough mobs)
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    CLAIRE PENDRAGON

  6. #186
    Player FateAudax's Avatar
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    Lakshmi's Bosom
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    Character
    Empyreal Fate
    World
    Tonberry
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 70
    Queued for extreme primals. Primal left 50+% hp, 1-2 dead players, healers just Stone II until we wiped. I kind of feel the sentiment there.
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  7. #187
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    Hikuras's Avatar
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    Character
    Hikaru Matsumura
    World
    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 70
    I still hope and pray SE is making things hit harder and putting up more gates on purpose. It's NICE to not have to worry about trying to out race Sonic the freaking hedgehog for once. Healer dpsing and tank dpsing is fine when it's not killing the party. But I feel like these dungeons are trying to push them fro mdoing that.. and that's ok I feel. It feels good to have to be careful for once.-
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  8. #188
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    Thunda_Cat_SMASH's Avatar
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    Sylvana Tenebri
    World
    Malboro
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 79
    Quote Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki View Post
    This is edging between the different playstyle justification and outright harassment and if you had a shred of common sense you would see that. It's one thing to kick someone for playing their job in such a way that it causes deaths or wipes but entirely another to kick someone for playing a way you don't like.
    Nine out of ten healers caused wipes by dpsing too much and being unable to perform even their basic job, leading to deaths. Yeah, I'd say my prejudice is well placed. Course, if I'm running with a healer I know, I'm more than happy with them DPSing~
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  9. #189
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    Blufnix Greedalox
    World
    Diabolos
    Main Class
    Machinist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH View Post
    Nine out of ten healers caused wipes by dpsing too much and being unable to perform even their basic job
    Made up statistics to push an agenda brought to you by Thunda!
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  10. #190
    Player MoroMurasaki's Avatar
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    Moro Murasaki
    World
    Zalera
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Greedalox View Post
    Made up statistics to push an agenda brought to you by Thunda!
    You forgot that not only are they made up they're also so completely unrealistic.
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