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    ErryK's Avatar
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    Ethan Vayne
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    I enjoyed 4.0 WHM over 3.0 WHM, if I'm honest. People say the majority of the skills are useless and meaningless but they're very fluid and flow well together, my only issue is Confession stacks should pop up more frequently than 20%, something like 40% would be fine.

    Quote Originally Posted by tymora View Post
    Miss my stoneskin


    30s recast is nothing considering it's free.
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    Baby, tell me, what's your motive?

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    Makani Risvertasashi
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    Quote Originally Posted by ErryK View Post
    30s recast is nothing considering it's free.
    Not free. Costs RNG tokens.

    WHM does feel very fluid... but it's mostly the same as 3.0. Just with some key things like Thin Air for mass holy spam, reduced Assize CD, etc. I do mislike Largesse's 90s CD, making it less available for mechanics that line up on a minutely cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risvertasashi View Post
    Not free. Costs RNG tokens.
    Since when was 100% Lily proc rate on Cure II RNG? You'll be Cure II'ing anyways, so that shield is essentially the cost of a Cure II but since you were needing that heal, and Stoneskin would've cost something like 3k MP at Lv70, you've essentially saved 3k MP... which was my point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ErryK View Post
    Since when was 100% Lily proc rate on Cure II RNG? You'll be Cure II'ing anyways, so that shield is essentially the cost of a Cure II but since you were needing that heal, and Stoneskin would've cost something like 3k MP at Lv70, you've essentially saved 3k MP... which was my point.
    If you're good you'll almost never be using Cures.
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    Lumielle Whisperwind
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risvertasashi View Post
    Not free. Costs RNG tokens.
    quick tank patch up:

    Cure II > Regen > Divine Benison.

    Say all you want but i hardly ever used stoneskin at all....but I use divine benison quite often.

    Always trying to finish a pull with 3 lilies so I can pop Assize with those on the next pull, then if I need anything else like tetra/asylum, ill use those with 0 or max 1 lily....and divine benison also only ever gets used with 1 lily on.
    Having that system in place how to prioritize your lily usage in itself is quite fun.

    But I agree Plenatory Indulgence needs a buff really bad, I'd say at least 50-60% proc chance...thats really not that OP when you think of what Earthly Star does that ASTs get
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    Karuru Karu
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risvertasashi View Post
    WHM does feel very fluid... but it's mostly the same as 3.0. Just with some key things like Thin Air for mass holy spam, reduced Assize CD, etc. I do mislike Largesse's 90s CD, making it less available for mechanics that line up on a minutely cycle.
    after playing DRK for over 1 year and expiriencing what they did with them in 4.0 i switched back to WHM and am very lucky they are mostly still the same as in 3.0 ^^

    DRK looked good on paper, but playing DRK is no fun anymore.
    WHM looked bad on paper, but playing WHM is more fun than ever ^^
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    Last edited by Tint; 07-02-2017 at 01:14 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risvertasashi View Post
    Not free. Costs RNG tokens.

    WHM does feel very fluid... but it's mostly the same as 3.0. Just with some key things like Thin Air for mass holy spam, reduced Assize CD, etc. I do mislike Largesse's 90s CD, making it less available for mechanics that line up on a minutely cycle.
    Its not RNG when Cure 2 is 100%. adjust how you heal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayer2015 View Post
    Its not RNG when Cure 2 is 100%. adjust how you heal
    TBH I'd rather just not use lilies than make my play worse. Like, you should prob be casting cure 2 over cure now sure, but honestly how many times will you actually need cure 2 if everyone is doing their job?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atmora View Post
    TBH I'd rather just not use lilies than make my play worse. Like, you should prob be casting cure 2 over cure now sure, but honestly how many times will you actually need cure 2 if everyone is doing their job?
    have you not seen the new dungeons? Tanks lost foresight the defence 20% increase so they take more damage. A drk alone only has 2 defensive buffs + parry boost.
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    Yorin Liefhart
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayer2015 View Post
    Its not RNG when Cure 2 is 100%. adjust how you heal
    Lmao. Never in a million years is a good WHM going to drastically change their healing style to suddenly incorporate a ton of cures and cure IIs in order to attempt to make use of these awful systems that were tacked onto us. They're better off completely ignored than used at the expense of greater efficiency.
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