Seperate the Grind from Item creation

[heavenswrath]

Given that the crafting materials have been lessened due to "parts" being taken out , when I see the word grind when talking about the crafting system my mind replaces "grind" with "this takes effort". Whats the point the point of having a crafting system that is automated , talk about boring and unrewarding.

[Celtodeno]

Given that the crafting materials have been lessened due to "parts" being taken out , when I see the word grind when talking about the crafting system my mind replaces "grind" with "this takes effort". Whats the point the point of having a crafting system that is automated , talk about boring and unrewarding.

Well, unfortunately pressing standard synth 5-10 times does not "Take effort". Time sink does not = Effort.

I'd rather be discussing new ideas at this point rather than eluding to the fact that you did not read the whole post but, The system I proposed would not be fully automated, the time and effort of making actual items would be greatly enhanced if that was all the Crafting system was required to focus on.

The assumption that the crafting system must function in the same way that the battle system does in terms of grinding is unnecessary. Maybe it could be included, but how can then resolve how boring the current system is?

[heavenswrath]

Well, unfortunately pressing standard synth 5-10 times does not "Take effort". Time sink does not = Effort.

I'd rather be discussing new ideas at this point rather than eluding to the fact that you did not read the whole post but, The system I proposed would not be fully automated, the time and effort of making actual items would be greatly enhanced if that was all the Crafting system was required to focus on.

The assumption that the crafting system must function in the same way that the battle system does in terms of grinding is unnecessary. Maybe it could be included, but how can then resolve how boring the current system is?

No actually I did read it and from the sound of it pushing that is effort for you -- given that you would rather have the crafting system be done the EVE way (logon set skill to level and logoff, rinse repeat) tell me how that is effort and is rewarding since you actually didn't do a single thing to raise your skill.

[Celtodeno]

No actually I did read it and from the sound of it pushing that is effort for you -- given that you would rather have the crafting system be done the EVE way (logon set skill to level and logoff, rinse repeat) tell me how that is effort and is rewarding since you actually didn't do a single thing to raise your skill.

You are using the word "skill" in reference to a system to does not involve any skill at all (the current system in place). What I want is a system that DOES requires Skill. Where you log in and use 'skill' to craft an Item. Unfortunately I do not see how grinding AND maximized "skill" can exist in one system, so I suggest separating the two. There can be many different ways to do this, I came up with one. How would you do it?