Tanks using ilv270 STR acessories

[Shinkyo]

SE did bad with the 270 STR but really less HP is not handicap for healers, i.e. It does nothing to the amount of healing required.

Tanks being always in DPS stance, that it a healing handicap since the incoming damage is higher and you do need to mitigate/heal more.
Really unless Omega content hits 20-30K per auto or tank buster hit for 50K (unmitigated), STR accessories are still going to relevant.
Or maybe, have Tank Buster go through immunity CD to prevent tanks cheezing them.

Personally, I "only" wear 3 STR accessory just to hit 40K HP outside Party buffs.
None of the existing content requires more that that.

[Jonnycbad]

Difference between i270 STR and i310 accessories is like 700 damage on Holy Spirit, 2,000 HP healing on Clemency, about 1,000 damage on Royal Authority, and 400ish damage on Total Eclipse. That's not to be taken lightly. Granted, you lose a CRAPLOAD of HP, like nearly 30% of your HP if you use i270 STR over 310 VIT. Running around with about as much HP as a DPS is dangerous in a raid as a MT.

[Yahallo]

Difference between i270 STR and i310 accessories is like 700 damage on Holy Spirit, 2,000 HP healing on Clemency, about 1,000 damage on Royal Authority, and 400ish damage on Total Eclipse. That's not to be taken lightly. Granted, you lose a CRAPLOAD of HP, like nearly 30% of your HP if you use i270 STR over 310 VIT. Running around with about as much HP as a DPS is dangerous in a raid as a MT.

It shouldn't be anywhere near 40%, you are losing about 10k HP so it is more somewhere between 20-25%, and it isn't so dangerous with proper mitigation rotations.

[Khemorex]

i dont really mind if someone runs around with str acceoirees or not

but a tank should never do as much dps as a real dps class.

so its a good thing what SE is doing ^^

it was a needed nerf to balance things out in the trinity system.

[Magnedeus]

If the demand is high enough (which looks like it in my case) SE may put VIT scaling back in a future update. Albeit I'm still low lvl I keep seeing these huge debates over VIT and STR in terms of stat priorities. Might be difficult for me to pick one when I'm around the lvl where stats matter.

[Baci]

i dont really mind if someone runs around with str acceoirees or not

but a tank should never do as much dps as a real dps class.

so its a good thing what SE is doing ^^

it was a needed nerf to balance things out in the trinity system.

No its not a good thing. Right now our complete right side gear is near useless. If we look for future Gear, we will have no dps/aggro scaling from our right side.
If they wanted to nerf tank dmg they could have done so in other ways. But making half our loot unwanted is just a bad design choice

[Yahallo]

i dont really mind if someone runs around with str acceoirees or not

but a tank should never do as much dps as a real dps class.

so its a good thing what SE is doing ^^

it was a needed nerf to balance things out in the trinity system.

We aren't asking for DPS equal to DPS classes however, we are asking for a fix for the aggro generation deficiency due to the damage gap between Tanks and DPS that will only increase as the ilvl increases. Reverting the hybrid damage formula without additional enmity compensation was not a good move. If we used the old formula, which I believe was .45 Vit and .45 Str (correct me if I am wrong), with 4 i300 vit accessories, 1 i310 vit accessory, Str V melds, the Susano's Great Sword, full i310 armor, thus 1661 Str and 2228 Vit, the tank's attack powr would be 2228*.45+1661*.45 = ~1750. Right now we can get 1976 Str with full i270 Str gear, and we still won't get close to an optimized DPS output.

[SeriousxSarcasm]

This makes me glad I have so many former-WoW raider tanks in my FC. ^^; They're quite happy with the bigger emphasis on VIT and mitigation, so at least I know, never go in without my tanks, because I don't want these dps meta types. D: Most are too unskilled to pull it off, and I personally don't have the patience for the ones that're gonna point fingers at the rest of the party when they screw up.

On the bright side, if I see a tank running around with the same HP as me, I'll just summon titan-egi until they switch, and lol for days while they struggle to take hate from him. XD It's sad seeing my stupid chicken nugget do a better job, but you do what you gotta do. >w<

And before you start in on me with out of context quotes: I am referring to the scrub imitators. There are a small amount of people that can handle the STR game play. Are any of those likely to be queuing with randoms in DF? Not likely no. For one, only an idiot expects randoms to adjust to that style of tank with no problems. No, the ones we will get in DF will be copy cats that think it sounds cool, but don't actually have the skills to tank that way, and they'll claim that it's the healer's fault for not healing enough, and/or the DD's fault for not using enmity reduction properly. We already had this issue with tanks that don't know how to stance dance, and then blaming the rest of the party for their own short-comings.

[Kyt]

They're quite happy with the bigger emphasis on VIT and mitigation, so at least I know, never go in without my tanks, because I don't want these dps meta types. D: Most are too unskilled to pull it off, and I personally don't have the patience for the ones that're gonna point fingers at the rest of the party when they screw up.

This is short sighted. Literally any person can be terrible. Str accessories don't make you harder to heal, it just means you have to actually heal them instead of twiddling your thumbs. There is nothing in the game that is hitting a tank for more than 35k right now (and if you get hit with something for 35k as a tank, you screwed up whether you have str accessories on or not.) If you would rather have a vit tank over a str tank merely because there's more room for error, then your tank won't be able to clear harder content anyway, no matter how much hp he has.

[akaneakki]

Was in siren sea today with a tank with 24k hp and I was wondering why... He was in full str left side. So I said hmm sure I'll work on it. Then I said ahh, now I know why you have lower hp than most and he said sorry it's the meta and I will do more damage. I said it's fine dont worry about it. He said right after, I saw your gear and your glamour, knowing you beaten all savages even tho the previous one was easy and saw I had the stuff melded with materia (acc before now direct hit) and gave me a chance to see if I could do it. No wipes, about 76 mins left and the dmg was insanely good from everyone too. In fact I got 3 coms too and all of us was on different servers as well. I honestly don't get why people worry so much about it. If the damae input on the tank is low, the extra hp isn't going to help at all. I would deff dps more than usual but again I was happy the tank did some amount of damage too and increase the speed to do it. There is also a large difference between good and bad tanks too. I gladly take a str tank whos good over a bad vit tank. But then again it's silly how the damage calculations are atm for tanks.