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    Crater's Avatar
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    Jade Nixx
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khemorex View Post
    but a tank should never do as much dps as a real dps class.

    so its a good thing what SE is doing ^^

    it was a needed nerf to balance things out in the trinity system.
    Tanks have never done as much damage as a DPS class. At the absolute height of tank damage relative to DPS damage (Gordias, where tanks could wear current-iLevel STR gear and had 1:1 AP scaling), the highest-DPS tank class averaged only 90% the damage of the lowest-DPS DPS class.

    From 3.2 to 3.5, the top-damage tank classes topped out at typically 65-70% the damage of a dedicated DPS class. This was appropriate - any lower a proportion of the damage, and you\\\\'re creating an imbalance where improving your skills on some classes (in this instance, tanks) benefits your party much less than improving your skills on other classes (DPS).
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    Reynhart Kristensen
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crater View Post
    This was appropriate - any lower a proportion of the damage, and you\\\\'re creating an imbalance where improving your skills on some classes (in this instance, tanks) benefits your party much less than improving your skills on other classes (DPS).
    So, again, nothing on improving your tank skills...with the purpose of actually tanking...only deeps deeps deeps deeps...
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    Rynka Shadowrane
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    So, again, nothing on improving your tank skills...with the purpose of actually tanking...only deeps deeps deeps deeps...
    A flaw on SE's part, not the players. For the most part SE has failed to create a true dynamic to the actual tanking portion of playing a Tank. You have skills to build and maintain enmity, and skills to mitigate. You hold all the aggro, you pop cds when needed and that's the extent of tanking. Anything within the realm of extra-mitigation is nothing more than a singular skill or rotation. That's because creating a convoluted(advanced) mechanic to performing these necessary functions will create a schism that would not be healthy to the playerbase as a whole. So in the end the dynamic to playing a tank is how well you can perform other duties on top of your tanking responsibilities, and a primary source for that are advanced dps rotations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewtskie View Post
    A flaw on SE's part, not the players. For the most part SE has failed to create a true dynamic to the actual tanking portion of playing a Tank.
    Why would they try to fix it when you have numerous people coming on the official forum to claim that the actual tanking meta is the only way to make tanking fun ?

    As I said somewhere else, perfect tanking skills should make you close to self-sufficient. Right now, tank is the only role that need support to perform its primary duty
    Quote Originally Posted by Crater View Post
    You can't improve your grades in a pass/fail class.
    What ?
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    Last edited by Reynhart; 06-29-2017 at 07:48 AM.

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    Kyt Tundera
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Why would they try to fix it when you have numerous people coming on the official forum to claim that the actual tanking meta is the only way to make tanking fun ?

    As I said somewhere else, perfect tanking skills should make you close to self-sufficient. Right now, tank is the only role that need support to perform its primary duty
    Tanks needs support to tank? I don't think that's true right now. You can do everything you need to do as a tank completely on your own.
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    Val Vermillion
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    Tonberry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Why would they try to fix it when you have numerous people coming on the official forum to claim that the actual tanking meta is the only way to make tanking fun ?
    Well it sure as hell isn't that fun if your only concern is holding aggro + pressing one button every few minutes to mitigate a single predictable hit. In order to make tanks fun in other ways they'd have to retool all three of them, which just won't happen.
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    Talya Stormbreaker
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    Jesus here come the people defending strength tanks again. SE pls recalculate the enmity scaling again. -_-
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    Quote Originally Posted by bounddreamer View Post
    Jesus here come the people defending strength tanks again. SE pls recalculate the enmity scaling again. -_-
    Not even the people who use it are defending it. More so calling SE out on their dumb balancing decisions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    So, again, nothing on improving your tank skills...with the purpose of actually tanking...only deeps deeps deeps deeps...
    You can't improve your grades in a pass/fail class.
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    Kimchi Jjigae
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    Faerie
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    To make str tank work you need both a good tank and a good healer. If you notice that the healer isn't good enough or if they ask, you should switch to vit. I have both a vit set and a str set.

    If I'm running dungeons I'll use vit for big pulls and str for bosses. I also think that str tank is better at teaching tanks and healers on when to use defensive cooldowns and heals.

    I have been running ex susano and lakshmi as a str tank with no problems except when the healers as slow on shields and heals. My fc/raid friend said he likes healing me more because it let's him use Excogitation more often.
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