Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[EaMett]

I think the biggest issue with lillies is that there's no strategy involved. Like really, who cares how many you have. You aren't going to cure2 just for an extra lilly, and you aren't going to hold back on using your ogc cooldowns. It's pointless. You could remove it entirely from your HUD and just go by whether or not benison is available.
PI will just need fixing. How this passed testing is beyond me. I assume the original concept procced too often and was op so they nerfed it overlooking the fact that it's the kind of skill you can't really nerf well (I mean they keep describing it like an aoe heal so it must've been at some point right?). If you nerf it you either reduce procs rendering it unreliable and useless even with high potency. If you nerf the potency but keep the high proc then it's not a significant enough heal to be worth it. It's possible there is no viable middle ground here and they'll need to go back to the drawing boards.

[Risvertasashi]

but when we're talking about end-game hardcore content, like the extreme primals for the moment, it starts to have a lot more uptime with more common use of Cure in them. I would say the same for raids.

The problem is still though... it's not reliable. It might be up for those tank busters. It might not be. It probably won't be if you just got out of an AoE burst phase. (Unless you only use medica/C3... but that goes back to the argument about playing suboptimally to cater to lilies).

[AlphaSonic]

This can be true for casual dungeons more or less but when we're talking about end-game hardcore content, like the extreme primals for the moment, it starts to have a lot more uptime with more common use of Cure in them. I would say the same for raids.



Considering that's not the only way to get Lillies. Sure, it is the only sure way every time, but see above.

Having to cast Cure or Cure II is the only way to get lilies... And even then, it's true that you will get more lilies in that type of content, but you will probably spend them in something that you didn't want to since basically you don't have control on which abilities you spend lilies.

[Aynur_Rajani]

Divine Benison...Not currently useful as it could be. Removing all lilies with the use of Tetragrammaton and Assize is an interesting touch. Not sure if I like it, but it's forced me to be more conscious of what skills I'm using + alter my 3.0 healing style. Amount of time involved in the cooldown of DB is enough for me to rebuild 3 lilies. Frustrating to get a shield worth only 15% of the target's HP regardless of if you have 1 lily or 3. Frustrating to rebuild 3 lilies in the time DB is on cd only to burn them for weak shield. Make more skills require lilies, make the cost of DB 1 lily, OR increase the potency of the shield per lily on your vine.

I, personally, would be content for a reduced chance of lily (not to 20% which is borderline useless...looking at you, PI) if it meant my shield for each successive lily grown doubled the potency of the shield that came before it, (1 lily = 15%, 2 lily = 30%, 3 lily = 60%) and ultimately making it a move worth working for.

[Aynur_Rajani]

Now for my favorite Plenary Indulgence

Are you kidding? 20% chance for a single confession stack is bad enough, but the fact you expect us to cure/cure ii spam on literally any member of our party we want to be affected is awful. Can't speak for other WHMs but the main tank gets the majority of my solo cures, and most of the time the main tank isn't stacked with the rest of the group by x amount of distance -- if it's out of PI's aoe heal range, it's useless. I don't see myself using this skill as it is for any sort of group heal...I have cure 3 or medica/medica 2/assize for that.

tl;dr this is basically just a free, no-cast cure I'm using on the MT of my group at this time and I'm mad I went from 60-70 and got a grand total of one (1) useful skill. delete and return holy to it's original potency (yes I'm serious)

(sorry for double-post; 1000 char limit screwed me over)

[AlphaSonic]

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PI is not an AoE centered around the person with the confession. PI only heals people with confession stacks.

[NocturniaUzuki]

One more thing I've just noticed:

There seems to be a bug with Cure/Cure II and Lilies. Even if I use Cure II (100% Lily chance on HP healed) on the MT, if the healing lands too soon after the tank takes damage, I don't get a Lily. Pre-casting a burst heal to immediately restore the tank's HP after a tank buster is commonplace, but at the moment if you're too good at it, you end up losing Lily gains. Considering the entire system is already a disaster, I suppose it hardly matters. But it's just one more way that the Lily system is broken.

It's either that, or it doesn't work if the target has a shield active at the time of the heal.

[Erakir]

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Yes, this has been brought up earlier in the thread (or maybe a different one), but to confirm your suspicions - pre-healing does not generate a lily right now. It's as if the client only tells the server "Hey see if you can give that WHM a lily" if the client sees the tank is not at 100%.

Similarly, too late a heal that's actually overheal but doesn't appear to be when your client-side cast finishes can still give a lily, I believe. Pre-healing is incredibly commonplace and a sign of good play, though. It absolutely sucks that you're punished for it. In particular, sometimes I want to heal + Benison immediately after, similar to following up a cure with a tetra, and I can't do that at 0 lilies like this unless I delay my heal significantly - helping negate the point of that instant-shield-post-buster to begin with. While one could say "You should have the lily ready already/shield in advance (I try my best to)" it doesn't change the flaw of a no-overheal cure II not giving a lily like it should that we could then use for other abilities. We can work around it, but it's still a flaw.

We already have to be in combat; I honestly see very little issue just removing the "no overheal" bit entirely. What's it gonna do, let us spent 3600MP in downtime to have 3 lilies during a boss-jump phase? Woohoo stop the presses for that one, lemme trade 3600mp so I can get something like my 1900 MP return assize 12s faster next time. No thanks~

[Aynur_Rajani]

PI is not an AoE centered around the person with the confession. PI only heals people with confession stacks.

I'm aware. Hence why I referenced making a majority of my solo heals on the main tank, because I'm not going to go around healing my party like it's duck-duck-cure if I don't absolutely have to. My point is saying that it's kind of stupid to have PI heal people only with confession stacks because the majority of my confession-stacking techniques are used on the MT and only the MT (first of all), and second of all the MT is sometimes too far away from the group for any kind of mt-centered AOE going on in certain situations -- I know the latter point can be adjusted by focusing on a party member that may have confessions that isn't the MT, but the first portion still stands.

[Ghishlain]

I finally got to level 70 on WHM. I have completed the full MSQ and have participated in all the EX dungeons but I haven't done any EX Primals just yet (Waiting for the second tank in my static to get caught up before participating).

Thoughts:
-The Royal Menagerie is thus far the only fight in the game where I've felt "I'm actually out of MP" in the entirety of Stormblood so far. Out of the four to five times I've participated in the fight, I've only felt that feeling once and that was on my second clear of it.
-I personally have no problem keeping up with all the UI elements on WHM and attempt to make use of all the PI and Divine Benison frequently when the opportunities present themselves. I do miscalculate my Lily usages on occasion and thus unable to Divine Benison but I figure I'll work that out with time and practice.
-While I would like to see Confession stack proc rate increase and/or more sources of proc, having a free heal worth about 13% of a tank's health go off every minute or so has been useful at supplementing the free heal kit of WHM
-As a whole the interactivity of the kit really excites me. Keeping track of Confession Stacks, Lilies, and mechanics of a fight really keep my brain jogging and trying to tetris all the different available healing options for the current situation has been a lot of fun.
-Divine Benison does everything I wanted it to do. No complaints from me.
-That moment when your Cure procs Freecure, a Lily, and Confession is amusing. So many options to choose from, so much fun!

I'd like to see a few QoLs still for Lilies and Confessions (higher proc chance and/or more spells and abilities that proc them). Other than that, I have no complaints with WHM. I'll see how it holds together when I do EX Trials and Savage Omega.