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    Erys's Avatar
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    Erys Shir'en
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnycbad View Post
    LoTD should always start with 30 seco ds.
    Your BotD should be always on 30s, a nifty trick is if you are under 12 seconds before your refresh hit is to use BotD and it will push you right to 15 and then to 25. Allowing you to Geirskogul to Nastrond. That said, your Geirskogul should be lined up with your LotD activation.
    Quote Originally Posted by Estelle9lives View Post
    Another issue: phase changes. Oh my god phase changes. On fights like Susanoo it's barely possible to keep BOTD by using the cooldown right when it's about to fall off because the animations are short, but on Lakshimi (whose animation's lenght is more in line with how boss's ultimates are), it's impossible no matter what you do. You are there lamenting losing the Eye stacks you worked so hard to gain, and on the other side you have Monks building Chakras and Samurais using Meditation to get loads of Kenki, essentially getting rewarded for downtime. It's just flawed design.
    For Lakshmi phase change you should be able to use 1 Nastrond before she leaves the battlefield for the adds phase, and then 5 Nastronds in the add phase with a slow group. With a fast group you are looking at 2 or 3 Nastronds in add phase. And you should come out without any eye stacks.
    For Susano you can choose to either, hold your second Geirskogul and use 2 Nastronds under BfB on susano or not delay your geirskogul and get that Geirskogul on susano, waste some eyes and use 2 Nastronds on the sword phase. You will build up 3-4 eye stacks in the sword phase so you can use a full 30 seconds Nastrond opener.
    Quote Originally Posted by Schan View Post
    I'm just going to add that there are fat robots in a certain dungeon... i think it's the level 67 one where if i use Dragon Sight on the tank I literally can't dps the back of this robot because it is THAT fat and the tether range is that short, which means I am forced to chose to keep Dragon Sight buff or get punished for missing positionals. SE is literally forcing us into a lose-lose situation. Lose personal dps or lose utility.
    Also I keep being paired with ranged DPS in dungeons. Not only they are always at the far back of the field (clearly the Vault has not taught them anything) but the few times they get close, they seem to freak out with the tether and just keep running way. (I may have stopped DPSing to chase a Bard one time while Dragon Sight was up. It was too funny. I'm sorry Bard.)
    Make a macro to use after you say hello in dungeons if you have a ranged codps. "<4(default number for dps)> mind getting close in aoe's and bosses? I need it for a buff to both of us. It will tether you in a red scaley chain, so don't worry, just keep in mind that it's really short."
    If they come up with a snarky remark about "Chill out mister elitist, this is not savage lul", just be snarky right back with "I hope you like 30 minutes long dungeons".
    Easy solutions for everyday problems. Remember to add a "please" somewhere there.
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    Last edited by Erys; 06-26-2017 at 11:16 PM.

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    Estelle9lives's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erys View Post

    For Lakshmi...
    For Susano ...
    That's what I do on Susanoo. He phases right when I'm about to enter the first LOTD, so I just get 2 Nastronds on the sword and build eyes there, using BOTD to refresh to 15 when it hits 1s as he comes back. That said it doesn't feel rewarding due to how low the sword DPS check is.

    I only did Lakshimi with my static, so getting Nastronds there was a pain and again unrewarding due to how fast those adds were dying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Estelle9lives View Post
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    Then you did all you could do and pulled your weight accordingly. Just ask for the sensible thing, higher potencies and extra jump buffs under LotD xP
    And yeah when you get a fast group in lakshmi the adds are moot. I had one and could only get away with 3 nastronds in add phase. 2 from the previous LotD and 1 from the LotD I activated in there.
    Quote Originally Posted by HoLoFoNo View Post
    That doesn't sound optimal to me. I get 6 nastronds pre adds phase (2 full LotD) and I get a LotD activation during adds phase by holding GSK (1-3 nastronds group depending)

    With your tactic you will most certainly lose dps due to not being able to nastrond a target with consistent piercing debuff or you lose a lot of nastronds trying to get 5 in the adds phase since this is the part where dps can change the outcome.
    You probably are right I just have really bad memory. I just know that I come in add phase after using a Nastrond and 2 nastronds from that same LotD in said add phase.
    How many geirskoguls are you holding to pull the 6 nastronds in p1?
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    Last edited by Erys; 06-26-2017 at 11:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Estelle9lives View Post
    That's what I do on Susanoo. He phases right when I'm about to enter the first LOTD, so I just get 2 Nastronds on the sword and build eyes there, using BOTD to refresh to 15 when it hits 1s as he comes back. That said it doesn't feel rewarding due to how low the sword DPS check is.

    I only did Lakshimi with my static, so getting Nastronds there was a pain and again unrewarding due to how fast those adds were dying.
    For susano, that all depends on how early your first GSK is. Since he always transitions at 1:32 you can get 2 nastronds before he jumps, the 2nd one being just before he goes invulnerable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erys View Post
    For Lakshmi phase change you should be able to use 1 Nastrond before she leaves the battlefield for the adds phase, and then 5 Nastronds in the add phase with a slow group. With a fast group you are looking at 2 or 3 Nastronds in add phase. And you should come out without any eye stacks.
    For Susano you can choose to either, hold your second Geirskogul and use 2 Nastronds under BfB on susano or not delay your geirskogul and get that Geirskogul on susano, waste some eyes and use 2 Nastronds on the sword phase. You will build up 3-4 eye stacks in the sword phase so you can use a full 30 seconds Nastrond opener.
    That doesn't sound optimal to me. I get 6 nastronds pre adds phase (2 full LotD) and I get a LotD activation during adds phase by holding GSK (1-3 nastronds group depending)

    With your tactic you will most certainly lose dps due to not being able to nastrond a target with consistent piercing debuff or you lose a lot of nastronds trying to get 5 in the adds phase since this is the part where dps can change the outcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erys View Post
    Make a macro
    To be honest as someone who uses Duty Finder a lot, i don't really care if they don't get close. Im used to make due with what I have. Something is better than nothing. If that means I have to use it on the tank so be it (my dmg buff is higher than theirs anyway). What triggers me is even when you use it on the tank (regardless if it's the most optimal person to use it on or not) i still can't have the dmg boost on the both of us and do positionals without resorting to True North or just ignore Dragon Sight (i've been told i keep the 10% dmg even if the tether is broken, which means i can at least use it as a self buff if everything else fails.)

    I'm also very... macro-making impaired or anything software related >.>
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    Last edited by Schan; 06-27-2017 at 02:04 AM.