Thread: Dragoons... how do you feel post 4.0?

It's hard for me to grasp what made them change Dragoon the way they did, just like it's hard for me to understand why they changed Warrior to be the way it is. I'm hoping most of this classes issues are resolved by the time Savage rolls around, as I'd rather not be forced to switch. Without any fixes though I can't in good conscious take this class into raid and expect my static to carry me. I've been raiding on Dragoon since I started playing and have cleared pretty much everything with it. I was really hoping we'd get a single target attack that took the place of Geirskogul so we would have the option of pushing single target damage or using it for aoe. LotD could have brought this by transforming Jump and Geirskogul to be higher potency abilities, but instead we only get crummy Nastrond.

does anyone else thing jump timings should be reset when entering LotD?

But it's a mmo and you should try to coordinate with other players to make both your and their experience more pleasant. I was just pointing out the obvious.

I've been a dragoon main since beta and after all the changes we've been through, I've stubbornly hung on. From horrible animation locks to having 1/2 the magic defense and getting 1 shot from unavoidable mechanics, from being the lowest melee dps and having horrible aoe and TP management, I've stubbornly held on because I love the job, its concept, its story. With that said. As a 70 dragoon, I might finally have to move away from my most beloved job for several reasons.

1. LOTD - takes too long to activate, hardly ever used in 4 man duties and only useable once or twice in extremes, falls off during every boss-away mechanics.

2. Nastrond - At BEST we get to use this 3 times once activated, like above, hardly ever used in 4 man and once or twice in extremes

3. Mirage Dive - Animation takes so long that this "OFF GCD" cannot be weaved with anything and pretty much acts like a GCD

4. Dragon Sight - Only really useful during an opener where you can at least put this on the MT, if the other dps are too far but once mechanics start happening, this will hardly ever be used or useful as the range is too short, unless you can perfectly coordinate with a dps who will do the dance with you

5. AOE - I have to admit, I can sustain my AOE for significantly longer than before but still one of the weakest of all DPS jobs

6. Feint - Still an almost useless skill outside of progression extremes and savage, hardly ever used as job role skill

7. Removal of Phlebotomize and leg sweep dmg - The potency increases on our other skills do not make up for the loss of our dot and a leg sweep on a short cooldown. You can easily test this on a dummy or SSS and using only the 60 rotation and skills.

Thank you dragoon for giving me the opportunity to play you out but I'll finally bite the bullet and switch to a samuri or ninja.

You cannot compete with other competent dps, definitely not monks, Ninja's or Red Mages.

Originally Posted by Vincent_Mateus

You cannot compete with other competent dps, definitely not monks, Ninja's or Red Mages.

yes i don't know the skills level of other people or their jobs but i've been up with them all the time without any problems, and definedly never seen those magical 4,6k mnk/nin or 4,8k sam.

Originally Posted by Shamox

Samurai and red mage are way too powerfull, there's record of samurai doing 4.4K dps on susano dummy.

and if 4,4k SAM is op on dummy which is supposed to be pure dps job then how 4,1k dps on same dummy makes DRG obsolete?

Originally Posted by FIN-RaZoR

yes i don't know the skills level of other people or their jobs but i've been up with them all the time without any problems, and definedly never seen those magical 4,6k mnk/nin or 4,8k sam.

and if 4,4k SAM is op on dummy which is supposed to be pure dps job then how 4,1k dps on same dummy makes DRG obsolete?

Just because you haven't seem them doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

It has been mathematically proven that DRG is quite a bit less compared to the other melee dps and even the mages including the offensive utility they bring.

Yeah, 4.1k on the same dummy without copious amounts of crit is bullshit (unless you are in a party then you're still not parsing with the same parameters as other classes).

I've pretty much never been outdpsed on the ex primals (not including death runs) as a DRG and yet I still know DRG is weak because the players I have been playing with were less geared or just not good.

Originally Posted by HoLoFoNo

Just because you haven't seem them doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Yeah, 4.1k on the same dummy without copious amounts of crit is bullshit (unless you are in a party then you're still not parsing with the same parameters as other classes).

it is true that those numbers wouldn't exist but i'am not going to believe them either before i actually see them.

and here's short clicp from susano dummy with 4098,97 dps. no food, no potions, no party bonus; only chocobo for dragon sight.

also shows that you can still weave 1 other off-GCD at same time as dragon sight for all of those who says it's very clunky skill to use

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJNmoJPaHzI&t

Originally Posted by FIN-RaZoR

it is true that those numbers wouldn't exist but i'am not going to believe them either before i actually see them.

and here's short clicp from susano dummy with 4098,97 dps. no food, no potions, no party bonus; only chocobo for dragon sight.

also shows that you can still weave 1 other off-GCD at same time as dragon sight for all of those who says it's very clunky skill to use

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJNmoJPaHzI&t

what are you pulling in the primals

I hate my main since reaching lvl 70, which is a job I've been playing for years now. It feels awkward as hell to play, and LoTD takes too long to happen, which makes it seem not worth the effort. I'm ready to just unsub rather than give up DRG for another job.