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    Quote Originally Posted by Jilliebeans View Post
    here is how it goes down.. even if MCH dps is better than BRD, it still cant beat bard in utilities wise, so for MCH is to have a chance to compete with brd they either have to buff their utility OR make MCH dps is about EQUAL as other dps.
    The thing with BRD is that their damage buffs are chances. (2% Critical Hit rate, 15% Direct hit rate)
    While MCH is a fixed and guaranteed 5% damage increase.

    BRD Battle Voice CD is 180s
    MCH Hypercharge CD is 120s

    Another thing, BRD is not affected by its own buffs, unlike MCH.

    BRD has Nature's Minne, MCH has Dismantle. (BRD increase healing to a single party member while MCH reduces damage dealt by target, which could be tank busters or wide AoE damage).

    The only thing that puts BRD ahead of MCH is Troubadour. Which has different effects depending on which song is played. BRD will need to manage their song in order to have the right effect when it is needed.

    BRD also has The Warden's Paean, but with pacification gone from WAR no clue yet if it will be useful in raid.
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    Last edited by Yeol; 06-26-2017 at 05:14 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yeol View Post
    The thing with BRD is that their damage buffs are chances. (2% Critical Hit rate, 15% Direct hit rate)
    While MCH is a fixed and guaranteed 5% damage increase.
    Law of Big Numbers. with 8 players GCDs going off every 1.5~ seconds, the percentages even out to be relatively consistent. Now, is it equal to a flat 5% vulnerability? I'm not sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yeol View Post
    Another thing, BRD is not affected by its own buffs, unlike MCH.
    And yet BRD is still out damaging MCH. MCH ONLY has damaging utility, not support utility [Save, Dismantle] (that isn't Role specific and available to both). So if they aren't DPSing more, this is a sign of a problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yeol View Post
    BRD has Nature's Minne, MCH has Dismantle. (BRD increase healing to a single party member while MCH reduces damage dealt by target, which could be tank busters or wide AoE damage).

    The only thing that puts BRD ahead of MCH is Troubadour. Which has different effects depending on which song is played. BRD will need to manage their song in order to have the right effect when it is needed.

    BRD also has The Warden's Paean, but with pacification gone from WAR no clue yet if it will be useful in raid.
    Right, BRD has more utility than MCH does, as you're showing here. And Warden's could potentially be more effective than it ever has been. It's unknown as of now. Why do skills like Crutch exist? If PvE content starts to rely on cleansing status debuffs then Wardens could be incredibly useful, if it's more of the same then yes it's sort of worthless.
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