Consolidated Scholar 4.0 Feedback Thread

[curather]

Already done that. I've finished both of the Extremes with Scholar/Scholar for multiple runs each, and we had literally no issues. No one even got close to dying due to double Indomitable and Whispering Dawn overload. Neither of us even went below 50% MP, even without BRD/MCH, and we retained constant DPS on the boss.

If you were mediocre at SCH before, that's not going to change this expansion.

Indomitable is nice but it has a 30s cd. Other than that, you have emergency tactics to try to increase your aoe heals. Sch/Sch should have their galvanize stack like medica II.

[RyuDragnier]

To be honest, as I'm leveling SCH right now and have hit level 66, I have had no problems with MP management or keeping up tanks and the party. I've adapted to not using Adlo as much as I once did, which helps cut down MP consumption considerably. Though it helps that I don't see party wide damage going out that much nor do I actually have to DPS as much as I once did.

[Vijaya]

Indomitable is nice but it has a 30s cd. Other than that, you have emergency tactics to try to increase your aoe heals. Sch/Sch should have their galvanize stack like medica II.

The 30s doesn't make much difference for these trials at least, since the AoE mechanics from the trials are also on 30/60 second timers pretty much exactly. For example on Susano EX, Ukehi will occur after 60 seconds immediately following the 4th lightning, so you can pre-empt Rouse/Whispering during the 4th cross, and then heal into the Ukehi with a single Succor/Indom, and the party will be at full HP, or will be by the time the HoT wears off.

For Lakshmi, Indom was always up for both AoE & Stack mechanics, and two Indom's just instantly topped off the party every time for 0 MP. Emergency Tactics is also on 30s, so even if you run two SCH, you don't need to overlap Galvanize.

But I guess we'll see if they stick to 30s/60s timers in the raids.

[zeopower6]

I don't appreciate that sort of holier than thou attitude. If you do content with two healers it's not the same as if you are doing the single healer four-man content. There are definitely issues there.

To be honest, as I'm leveling SCH right now and have hit level 66, I have had no problems with MP management or keeping up tanks and the party. I've adapted to not using Adlo as much as I once did, which helps cut down MP consumption considerably. Though it helps that I don't see party wide damage going out that much nor do I actually have to DPS as much as I once did.

The 67-70 content is mainly where you'll feel it most, I think.

[curather]

I don't appreciate that sort of holier than thou attitude. If you do content with two healers it's not the same as if you are doing the single healer four-man content. There are definitely issues there.



The 67-70 content is mainly where you'll feel it most, I think.

I completely agree! I am leveling up a ast from 60 since I don't see them fixing this.

[VallariaEllethwen]

Please stop posting and saying Scholar is strong in 4.0 when it got literally nothing but nerfs and is a fraction of what it was. Those saying they love Scholar at seventy are oblivious. So I compiled a list of facts of the state of Scholar right now and possible fixes. Don't reply to this and complain about one specific point I made. Just read it and become aware of Scholar's state.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing

[RyuDragnier]

The 67-70 content is mainly where you'll feel it most, I think.

Good to know, I just hit 67 so I'll be seeing it soon.

[zeopower6]

Mostly I am fine with SCH in 4.0 at 70 but they need to do some potency adjustments. I'm still baffled at the AST shielding and healing better than SCH and WHM. But then again, they DO want people to play AST, so...

[Judge_Xero]

Good to know, I just hit 67 so I'll be seeing it soon.

It is pretty much the same for all healers. It is quite an adjustment to go from keeping the tank alive with a regen while watching Netflix to actually having to think about healer CD usage.

[Cynfael]

It is pretty much the same for all healers. It is quite an adjustment to go from keeping the tank alive with a regen while watching Netflix to actually having to think about healer CD usage.

I wouldn't even say this is the case, at least not more so than it was during Heavensward launch.

The only spike in difficulty I perceived was when tanks didn't know how or when to use CDs on larger pulls or on tank busters; otherwise it was mostly shield and DPS as usual.

Actually, I do think that AoE healing requirements went up a bit overall, but each healer has appropriate tools for dealing with that without issue. It's reactive healers who don't observe patterns who suffer the most since they will find themselves out of MP from panic healing if they don't understand when and why the damage is coming out.

My beef with 4.0 SCH isn't that it's truly weak or can't get the job done, because that's not true; it's that SCH got hit with seemingly unnecessary nerfs (did we really need to increase Adlo MP costs, further nerf faerie healing, and keep shielding potencies the same while the already powerful AST got more shielding potency with only one real trade-off in A.B.'s cost increase?) combined with a forced change in playstyle with Aetherflow MP return cut in half to ham-fistedly force SCH to use Lucid Dreaming a la WHM and AST, who already used their respective versions of that mechanic, and yet another poorly designed capstone ability. Fey Union is powerful enough, but the wonky activation, extremely short tether, and continual drain on the faerie gauge if the tether is broken without being ended by the caster make it needlessly restrictive.

WHM has its own issues from a fun and "does it make sense" perspective, but they at least function more or less the same if not stronger in some important ways.

AST is in the best shape ever with a fluid, fun, effective playstyle that rewards people who enjoy having a lot of actions to use and decisions to make. SCH still has elements of this, but the new parts of their kit (with the exception of Chain Stratagem) don't feel nearly as impactful and don't mesh that well with their existing skills. Hopefully the dev team is looking at the situation as "AST is in a great place; what can or should we do to help WHM and SCH feel like this?"